• krashmo@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Wilson said that he likes the idea of a multiparty democracy in theory, and would not be bothered by No Labels’ presidential ambitions in a more traditional election, but that the stakes are too high this year — even if it means depriving voters of options and making them choose between two candidates they might not be excited about.

    When was this not the justification for forcing people to accept a candidate they don’t like? It’s like every four years we all forget that the last candidate was sold that way too. Obama is the only semi-exception in that his first campaign was all about hope and change but we all know how that turned out.

    The funny part is that we could have taken Obama’s victory as proof that promoting progressive policies works to get a President elected but instead we decided to go back to calling that approach wishful thinking and impractical. Almost as if the goal isn’t to represent the people but rather to ensure Progressive ideas reach as few people as possible.

    • a lil bee 🐝@lemmy.world
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      It’s first past the post, not the party, that is causing this issue. This is very much a “don’t hate the player, hate the game” situation. If democrats want to win elections and have their agenda accomplished, No Labels and similar groups present a real obstacle to achieving the goals of the democratic constituency due to FPTP, so you can’t exactly expect to consider them allies.

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        There is also the very real fact that these third parties and their candidates have never accomplished a single policy goal while consistently getting republicans elected; the only accomplishment lyndon larouche or jill kelly have is shifting the odds right.

        They never have a collaborative mindset, but instead a separatist / contrarian approach to supposedly a difference of political opinion, by the very nature of their party they are not trying to work with liberals they are going their own way knowing full and well they won’t win… why?

        Meanwhile Bernie worked with and endorsed the Democratic Party and successfully shifted the current administration leftward with significant legislative policy accomplishments to show for it.

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      They’ve been saying it every election for at least 30 years and they are freaking out because it isn’t working as well as it used to.

      If Biden wants the younger peoples vote he is going to have to do more than spout rhetoric and meaningless nonsense.

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    8 months ago

    Good.

    Americans who don’t want a fascist takeover need to realize that FPTP does not give a single shit about your third-party candidate with ~1% of the vote. Sorry, it hurts but it’s true. If you fail to back Biden, you enable trump. It really is that simple. Is it healthy for our democracy? Hell no - but using the 2024 ballot box to make that statement is foolish, irresponsible, and dangerous. Sometimes the lesser of two evils is the best choice you’re going to get.

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      8 months ago

      Americans who don’t want a fascist takeover

      There must not be very many of them, otherwise they could simply all register Republican and take over the party to steer it in the right direction.

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        8 months ago

        The machine has crushed their will. Half of America doesn’t vote. If they did, there would be no Republicans holding elected office basically anywhere.

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        And risk getting death threats from all the MAGAs? It would probably be a better idea just to start your own party and keep those fucks out.

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          8 months ago

          Let me just climb into my political party cannon and blast off to political party land

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        No it ain’t and the US has never been a great democracy, far too many people have been systemically disenfranchised from its very inception, but if you ever want the opportunity to experience democracy then Trump can’t win which means Biden is the call to make, the only third party candidate with any traction right now is RFK Jr and he’s both a batshit crazy conspiracist and an obvious spoiler candidate. The only other choice is revolution but that’s not happening in time and even if it does happen that doesn’t guarantee that what comes after will be good. So either put on your fatigues or realize the reality of the situation we’re in vs why it’s not a good system

        I can’t fucking stand Biden but he’s not a fascist authoritarian that will usher in Christian nationalism to the halls of power. Trump and RFK are, fuck all three of them but one is a treatable cancer and the other two are pancreatic and late stage lung cancer