- Trump “will not give a penny” more to Ukraine if he becomes president, Hungary’s prime minister said.
- That’s how Trump plans to end the war, Viktor Orbán, who met Trump at Mar-a-Lago, said.
- The Trump campaign has not said whether the pair discussed Ukraine during the visit.
Anyone who thinks the war will be over when Ukraine falls is a gullible idiot. The Ruskis will march straight to Moldova after the takeover of Ukraine.
Every non-NATO state on the border will be targeted and incorporated either directly or by being turned into a loyal authoritarian state a la Belarus.
And if the US leaves NATO, that undermines confidence in NATO. The alliance will fall. At that point, either the EU will have to step in and supplant it – in which case the US will no longer be even be PART of the mightiest diplomatic alliance in the world, much less influential in it – or else there’s no reason to think Russian aggression will stop endlessly escalating until all-out war between nuclear powers is on the table.
Additionally, there is already a lot of discussion about nuclear proliferation. Some nations did not develop their own nuclear weapons because the US guaranteed for their security in exchange.
Yet another reason that odious orange toad should be denied a second term.
Lmao of course Putin’s allies know trumps plans.
They are Putin’s plans.
If we genuinely allow this man to run for president and evade jail time, we should genuinely start building guillotines.
I don’t live in US but I’m immensely surprised he can still run for President with all the things going on with him.
Thought by now he would’ve been sent to jail/prison.
Unfortunately the US has basically been running on the polite fiction that people who want to be leaders will be good leaders and behave like rational human beings.
So when someone who has no good intentions and is not rational got into power, we learned that a lot of things we thought of as laws were really just habits.
And as much as it sucks, it’s actually sensible that trump can run until he’s been proven guilty. Otherwise a wannabe dictator could just drown the opposition in frivolous lawsuits and bar them from running because of the suspicion of crime.
Don’t get me wrong, I think trump is guilty as sin and is a danger to our democracy. But, we need to be careful how we respond to this, or it could be worse when the next maniac gets into power and starts banning people from running because all of his opponents are suddenly under investigation for tax irregularities or littering.
He was found guilty of insurrection in a state court. So that he can’t run for president. But then the federal supreme court decided that this particular provision of the constitution is not self executing. And the Congress must pass a law to find Trump ineligible to run. They didn’t comment on the insurrection part.
So Trump has been found guilty of insurrection and he can still run for president.
To be more clear, if Trump manages to capture the presidency, I fully expect him to withdraw the US from NATO.
And the US leaving NATO would be absolutely, categorically, inarguably, and apocalyptically stupid.
Can Trump alone withdrawal us from NATO?
No, which is why it didn’t happen in his first term. Lots of people threw sand in the gears to slow that effort down.
It’s just that if he gets in again, he’s openly said he’s going to fire a shitload of people all over the government and replace them with Trump loyalists (regardless of whether or not it’s legal), so it will probably actually happen if he captures the presidency again.
I am not sure why people say that when Trump said, if they didn’t honor their commitments, we would leave.
Since the invasion, most countries have finally stepped up to pair their obligation. Funny how Trump was right.
No he wasn’t. His comments are a self fulfilling prophecy. If an alliance that is strong because they are united under the US umbrella has the potential leader of said alliance state he no longer feels he needs to back his allies… they must.
But:
- The 2% is a guideline not a rule
- They got to pay… who? The defence industry… it’s not a membership fee.
- many countries where already investing more
- spending more on defense is not simple, procurement takes yeeeaaars… so countries that started ramp up projects years ago are now in the position to actually spend more.
- The only time NATO needed to openly wage war was in defence of the US. So the commitment of the rest of NATO is fact, the US’s isn’t.
So the commitment of the rest of NATO is fact, the US’s isn’t. Well, if that is the way you feel, then the United States should just leave NATO. If having the largest Army in the world and saving Europe in two wars isn’t proof of commitment, then we should just sit the next one out. It sounds like we are not wanted or needed.
Good job entirely (and, I think, intentionally) misinterpreting the whole fuckin’ context of the situation.
Check out what community they moderate, it’s very telling.
Be more clear in your point. I get you don’t like Trump but what he said was true.
Now everyone is scurrying because he was right.
Hate the man as much as you want but at the end of the day, he was right.
You fight a war with the Army you have, not the one you can build in the next five years. Europe has not taken their defense seriously, and it isn’t our job to spend our money to defend Europe. It is our job to help in their defense.
Putin was a wakeup call to Europe and hopefully they leaned you always need to be prepared for war.
Ok, sure, let’s play your game.
Let’s say Trump gets in, and the US fucks off from NATO. What then?
Outline the ramifications for me. I have a pretty concrete idea of what the fallout would be, but I want you to tell me what you think would happen, in your own words.
Easy Trump says we are leaving NATO then he finds out he can’t. So the united states stays in NATO. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/12/16/congress-nato-exit-trump/
I get Trump is the baba yaga to most people but congress was smart enough to cover their bases.
Ah the “Fine, I’ll takey ball and go home” arguement.
Referring to WW2 that was self preservation as much as anything else, and it is not like they got poorer from it. The US made bank after WW2.
The US called upon NATO after September 9th and everyone came. So that also shows something, but I guess that does not count.
And now the US is gearing up for their “inevitable” conflict with China. But for that they will need their allies too. So by showing your allies you are unreliable, countries might start making other choices. You know, self preservation.
Ww2 was because Japan attacked the United States and in brilliant move, Germany declared war.
If we go to war with China, we don’t need the help of others. They need our help.
It’s why Australia is asking for us to build bases. They know they can’t take China.
Japan at least is taking it seriously and arming up for war. They beat China once
American exceptionalism at its finest.
We are exceptional. We are the only real super power in the world. I am not ashamed of my country. We need to the beacon of the world and sadly we’ve let that falter. We need another Reagan to get us back on track
his plan for COVID was just ignoring that problem as well… i think he likes to hide from problems and so do all of his piggy supporters…
everyone knows it’s time to invade Russia and give that regime the merciful death it’s asking for
As much as I’d like that regime to disappear, I wouldn’t go so far as to invade Russia. Putin’s nuclear sabre rattling is obviously bullshit when it comes to Ukraine, but backing them that far into the corner with an invasion is probably one of the few things that brings a real nuclear risk. I’d be more for the “measured” response of hunting down and eliminating any Russian assets found outside Russian borders, perpetually until the Russian people chose a leader who is capable of living in civilized society.
the Russians talk a lot of shit, it’s time to put up or shut up
The Russians also committed a lot of heinous crimes. If you want to bet, place your bet on how many people will die in a nuclear fire, not will it happen or will it not.
Lemmy.world is going to be really fucking surprised when the leftists don’t vote for either fascist candidate and you’re stuck with the orange fuhrer
