I heard Unvanquished maybe scratches the same itch

I used to play Tremulous. That was a blast. Very clever game.

Don’t worry guys, I heard both parties were the same. We are all being played.

Were you born yesterday…?

I suppose you got a point there. It does matter when talking about financial stats.

I can’t tell if you’re joking.

Difference between median and average

I heard carbon fiber is a good material.

Well is it average or median?

Thanks. I want to learn more, so I’ll be reading through all your links. Some of it is familiar information, but I’m always finding new stuff. I’ll come back after I’ve deepened some more. I find the binational one-state solution interesting and desirable but not realistic (I’m cynical person to an extent). I’ve lived in Israel, and given the prevailing temperature amongst the Israeli people post Oct 7 it would be hard to imagine such a topic even surfacing. Thanks again!

I’m familiar with the concept of transfer (and the Nur paper is indeed very interesting). However, we can’t turn back the clock. It happened a hundred years ago and it sucks. It was awful. That being said, Israel is not going anywhere and the Jews are never going to change gears --esp after Oct 7. Despite their grievances, the Palestinians walked away from several proposals for two state solutions. The return to the 67 borders was only palatable after the Palestinians walked away and it backfired. The fact remains: Israel did cede copious amounts of land back to the Palestinians (after first intifada) and Israel also demolished many settlements. It takes two to tango and negotiations with Palestinian leadership never seems to work out. It’s unfortunate that Gaza is turning into an apartheid condition and I don’t condone the way the IDF is handling the situation at all.

Edit: by the way, I’m appreciating the links to articles and sources you provide.

Which amnesty report is this (there are many)? Can you link it?

Too bad Palestinians turned down multiple times a two state solution.

Maybe. They most certainly have monological worldview. Every statement is distilled down to a binary prism of logical deductions. It’s either A or B. There is no other alternative.

You love doing two things I’ve noticed:

1. Ascribing positions and statements to me that I do not hold or never claimed.

2. Delegate people to ‘do some reading’. Are you unable to sustain your position without these asinine injunctions?

And all this for requiring clarification on how you define apartheid in this context. It’s clear it doesn’t mean anything to you. My conclusion is it’s just a buzzword that you enjoy trotting out when there is mention of Gaza. Convince me otherwise without your holier than thou “do some reading”.

No, I think we are approaching the word from two different angles. It would be helpful if we knew how you define apartheid.

I’ll link you the polls later. I’m traveling atm. Remind me if I forget

Yeah, this is pretty well researched. There are lots of polls conducted. I can link them. Hamas has broad support among Palestinians. It’s not news really.

Thank you. I’m actually familiar with the brief that SA put forward to the ICJ and it’s very peculiar. I’ve skimmed through the brief (not news articles referring to it, but the actual document itself) and there are lots of odd inaccuracies which I wasn’t expecting at this level. That being said, this still doesn’t answer the question of the application of the term ‘apartheid’. Can we get a clear definition before we move forward?

So who is HAMAS or PLO? Are the Palestinians not supporting them?

I just wanted to say thank you for the detailed explanation. I agree with a lot of what you are saying here, but I’m still not convinced that Apartheid, definitionally, accurately describes this situation. I think it would be a lot more helpful if people familiarized themselves with the origins of SA Apartheid. You are right that the Oslo accords did not confer a Palestinian state, but the option was proffered multiple times but the Palestinians did not accept the proposed boundaries. I’m familiar with the zones. You yourself concede that Israelis are living within Area C, so it is not exclusively segregated to Palestinians/Arabs. That being said, I do agree that not only the settlements need to stop but the land within area C that was taken by settlements should be reverted to Palestinians.