Random wrong place I know, but dont wanna bother more people then necessary: Why cant i see upvotes/downvotes?

Ok imma try to get my point across one more time: There are two different layers of reality about the war.

Both layers contain meaningful information.

A bit of info in layer 1: The war is bad.

A bit of info in layer 2: Not all people see that.

We agree on both. Now my point is: We should understand the nuances on layer 2.

Your answer is: “Layer 1 has no nuances”

The war is not the same thing as the opinions about the war.

To influence the discourse, i.e. opinions, it’s better to understand the opinions specifically (“in nuances”).

To close the discrapancy between misguided public opinion and actual reality, we need to understand the opinions, not confuse its object with its (ideologically structured) representation.

Have you read that I said “of course they should condemn putin …”?

What I’m doing is not relativizing the invasion, but the opinions about it.

It’s a meta level. I’m not talking about nuances of the war, but nuances of political views. The article and the discussion is on that level.

I agree with your call for clear (and plain coherent/realistic) condemnation of the war. Nevertheless this should not be confused with analyzing how many and how and why people don’t see it that way.

Otherwise we give up a better understanding of what people think, which we need in order to find strategies to influence the discours on realities terms. (Reality meaning the reality of conciousness(es) about the war, not the war. That part we already agree on)

To answer that: political view has more options than condemn and support.

Of course, imo, they should condemn putin, his supporters, trum, biden, scholz, macron and the whole idea of those beeing the options of development of our societies.

But its not helpfull for us to tune in on 2 dimensional, under-complex concepts of social development/politics

Oops wrong pic. But I think it also shows how far from this study the claim “30% support putin” is

Support seems to plainly be the wrong word. “Not as an enemy, as a competitor” is definetly not “support”. In my opinion calling it that is more than misleading

I’d love some sauce on that Ü

Yeah lets get some social science running in this b**** Ü Perspective this techie fest (<3) could use some of