During Biden’s speech, Nikoui could be heard yelling, “Abbey Gate, Abbey Gate” at approximately 10:15 p.m. ET. Abbey Gate is the entrance to Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul, Afghanistan, where a single explosive device was detonated by an ISIS-K terrorist. The blast killed 13 U.S. service members and at least 170 Afghans.

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    8 months ago

    Trump gave NO orders for the evacuation. He agreed to evacuate and to the timeline.

    The actual ORDERS were left to Biden, because when the time came, Trump was out and Biden was in.

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        8 months ago

        Read your link much?

        “Despite their advice, Biden ordered the complete withdrawal of U.S. forces from Afghanistan in April 2021. They ultimately withdrew at the end of August 2021, with the Taliban back in power and Afghans who had spent two decades working with U.S. forces concerned for their safety.”

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      Is there evidence the time line was feasible, or that the outcome under Biden could have been avoided. My understanding of the events is that everything was setup in a way where either the time line had to change or things would get messy.

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        Oh, no, in fact Biden was told an evacuation like that could NOT be done in the timeframe and they went with it anyway.

        https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/04/politics/afghanistan-siv-bipartisan-letter/index.html

        "The bipartisan lawmakers contended that the existing process for Afghan Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) applicants will not work.

        “It takes an average of 800+ days, and we plan to withdraw in less than 100 days,”"

        That’s where Guam stepped up and said “hey, we’ll take them, let us help!” and were ignored.

        If the process takes more than 800 days, you either expedite that process, or remove them to a location where they can safely wait out the process.

        The Biden administration chose “none of the above”.

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          So doesn’t that mean Trump set him up to fail. Sounds like the prior administration messed up and left Biden to clean up. No matter what Biden did, he’d be in the wrong (extend the evacuation or push forward with the set timeline).

          If that’s the case what are you arguing should have happened, and how is the previous admin not responsible for creating the circumstances.

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      8 months ago

      Let’s say you work at a very busy fast food place that has a night shift, complete with its own night manager. While you sleep, the night manager puts in an order: at 1pm, all remaining potatoes must be dumped, and you must go buy new crates of potatoes. 10am comes and the daytime manager comes in, and is stunned to see the order. At noon, the lunch rush starts. At 1pm, the day manager follows through on the simple order of throwing out the remaining potatoes, and now the fast food joint can’t make more fries.

      Who is at fault in this situation? The night manager agreed to dump the potatoes and gave an order on the exact time to do it. There was no plan given on how to do it. The day manager received the order and was the one who actually dumped the potatoes, costing the restaurant a ton of money by essentially shutting down fry production.