Kinda? The Fallout series definitely attracts these kind of people, but the message of the games go completely over their heads. Because they can play out their facist fantasies, they don’t realize how those routes are showing what’s fucked up about that kind of thinking. If they could realize that sort of thing, they wouldn’t be have those sorts of fantasies in the first place.
That’s my point, fascists idolize factions like the Enclave, Legion, or even Brotherhood, despite overt text and subtext decrying their views. The Fallout series as a whole is leftist, but is well-known for having a large subset of the fan base that is overtly fascist.
Yea, but tbf I was pretty clearly referring to the 1/2/NV/4 strains of BoS. Even in 3, though, they are racist against non-ferals and you can’t really confront them on that.
This is why it’s important to ask “Why do you love that?” Starship Troopers and Helldivers can be seen as fascist by those who don’t see deeper meaning in things. But both are satire, making fun of the thing by showing how it works and how ridiculous it looks. No one acts like a person, they talk like a movie trailer. Well adjusted folk will understand what they like and be able to elucidate it clearly. Idiots will parrot broad generalities and be unable to explore why they like that stuff (or they realize they are a monster and get defensive about it).
The Starship Troopers movie was self aware - the writer-director combo also worked on Robocop and that is pretty unambiguous about regulatory/corporate capture and malfeasance.
The book however… Heinlein was a weird political mix of right winger who had an open mind about hippies, but he uncritically promoted a militaristic society as a virtue, a permanent junta as a normal thing, and absolutely brushed up to fascism.
Yes, what you described is the point of the meme and subsequent comments. People that like these things without understanding they’re satire are problematic.
Add the Fallout series to the mix, lol
Kinda? The Fallout series definitely attracts these kind of people, but the message of the games go completely over their heads. Because they can play out their facist fantasies, they don’t realize how those routes are showing what’s fucked up about that kind of thinking. If they could realize that sort of thing, they wouldn’t be have those sorts of fantasies in the first place.
That’s my point, fascists idolize factions like the Enclave, Legion, or even Brotherhood, despite overt text and subtext decrying their views. The Fallout series as a whole is leftist, but is well-known for having a large subset of the fan base that is overtly fascist.
At least in 3, the brotherhood was a bit more morally gray/good
4 turned it right back around though lol
Yea, but tbf I was pretty clearly referring to the 1/2/NV/4 strains of BoS. Even in 3, though, they are racist against non-ferals and you can’t really confront them on that.
True true, I was just adding to the nuance :)
Oh, welp, I was only thinking in context of the starterpack that was posted and not the added comment. My bad
If we’re bringing up Fallout, then Warhammer has to be in the mix. *And Starship Troopers/Helldivers while we’re at it.
This is why it’s important to ask “Why do you love that?” Starship Troopers and Helldivers can be seen as fascist by those who don’t see deeper meaning in things. But both are satire, making fun of the thing by showing how it works and how ridiculous it looks. No one acts like a person, they talk like a movie trailer. Well adjusted folk will understand what they like and be able to elucidate it clearly. Idiots will parrot broad generalities and be unable to explore why they like that stuff (or they realize they are a monster and get defensive about it).
The Starship Troopers movie was self aware - the writer-director combo also worked on Robocop and that is pretty unambiguous about regulatory/corporate capture and malfeasance.
The book however… Heinlein was a weird political mix of right winger who had an open mind about hippies, but he uncritically promoted a militaristic society as a virtue, a permanent junta as a normal thing, and absolutely brushed up to fascism.
Yes, what you described is the point of the meme and subsequent comments. People that like these things without understanding they’re satire are problematic.