It is a stupid point, and hardly art, but even you should be able to understand it by now if you read the other comments come on

Do you have conveyor belts going straight to your fridge now?

We all do

LOL we are having the same convo in multiple posts. See my other longer reply, but as I mentioned there we are not murdering them, murder refers to human beings. And it’s not that if you say “butchering” or “slaughtering” it comes through as nothing, these words are pretty loaded with meaning, and they are the correct ones.

Look, I am not “trying to push you into complying with the linguistic framework that legitimizes your perception of reality”, I am telling you that language is important and you can’t make words up or subvert the meaning of them, else society will not understand you at best, or think that you are just a lunatic at worst. Sure you can decide that for you “up” means “down” and insist that everyone else is wrong, but then you are probably wasting your time replying to others’ comments on social media.

I get where you are coming from, you really care about your ideas, but so do antivaxers and lots of other radicalized groups that are just drifting off reality and, well most of society thinks they are just lunatics. I am not even a native English speaker but a few examples:

“Murder” is defined as the killing of a person. I understand why you are using it for animals but it comes off wrong, that’s not what the word means, and the only use of it as an hyperbole (a karaoke singer killing a song) has the opposite meaning that you are trying to convey. There are plenty of words for describing the killing of animals and some of them are already loaded with meaning, it’s not like “slaughter” and “butchering” are used lightly. You don’t need to come up with your own vocabulary, that’s like Trump saying “bigly” he looks like an idiot to a non-maga crowd.

The word “formula” refers is an artificial (formulated) human milk substitute, your use of it to refer to “cow’s milk” sounds pretty ridiculous, particularly when you add another 3-4 words around it and when the rest of society uses the word milk to refer to cows’ milk, or if specified, to other milks like goat or soy. Your example where you use “meat” to refer to grains is just bonkers; and describing meat as “rotting” is just silly, as technically so are broccoli that have been cut off the plan: specifying that any food is rotting while waiting to be eaten, while technically not wrong, makes the person you are talking to wonder what is going on in your head.

Now let’s take this topic more broadly. Are the words vegans use merely ‘edgy’, or is it an attempt to encapsulate the totality of how monumentally bad of a predicament you carnists are putting us in? “Chick culling” sounds almost innocuous. Why don’t you try looking up that term on YouTube, and see what that entails.

Based on the above, I am afraid it is merely ‘edgy’. In fact it’s worse, people that talk like this come through as they are either 12 years old trying to cause a reaction, or just lunatics. You are really not making any favour to your cause, and I will come back to that later because that is a shame Still on language, I am not sure in what world “Chick culling” sounds almost innocuous, it describes exactly what it is, quite perfectly, it’s a horrible practice, do you really need to add any more words? One more thing that is quite annoying about radicalized groups is they tell you to check something up on Youtube or do your own research, I am very familiar with the concept of chick culling, I don’t like it, you don’t need to be vegan to know how certain industries work and suggesting it in that way is again off putting.

I am familiar with most of the arguments vegetarians and vegans use as I have been interested in tangential topics for a long time, I am passionate about environment, permaculture and food self sufficiency. Some of the points I actually agree with, I am against industrial practices like chicks culling, the way animals are treated in industrial farming, I agree that the planet would be better off if we all reduced meat consumption dramatically and if there were more vegetarians and vegans. I think that if someone is passionate about these and other messages they should try to convey them in a way that they can be absorbed by the rest of society. That is, if you want to convince anyone to marry your cause or part of it. And if you don’t want to, why are you even wasting words?

The reason why I am particularly annoyed when people do this is that there are some topics that I would be interested to discuss like adults, particularly where I stop agreeing with veganism, and this is just off putting. Example, I have three egg producing chickens that are treated like pets, they have plenty of space, protection, access to food, water and treats, they play with my babies, and they drop one egg each every day that they quickly forget about and they proceed to ignore. I use those eggs to feed my family and to reduce our meat consumption with something that is organic, nutritious and (in my opinion) ethically produced with no impact on the planet. In fact, the contrary is true because those chickens eat my leftovers and I use their poo as fertiliser. I’d like to understand how many people are vegans because industrial farming is a horrible practice, and how many would for example still eat eggs if they were produced more “humanely” like I do, and the reason why I am interested is that i cannot conceive non-industrial farming without animals being heavily involved, at the very least for using their shit to grow plants. In short, there are some discussions I’d enjoy having, but every time a vegan engages they distort the language and they make the assumption that I don’t know anything about industrial farming :)

I love this, “If vegans weren’t [x], we would…” … what? Take us seriously, what do you mean by that? Are you implying that if only I would say the approved things, you would actually go vegan?!

No not go vegan, but yes take you seriously and engage in an intelligent conversation, you know not like I’m talking with an edgy 12 years old

I know, look you are doubling down and making it worse. Re your last edit

That said, I stand by my original comment. Plastic water bottles are made of fucking tissue paper these days. They 100% would snap if someone stepped on an opened/empty bottle.

Stop making shit up, how can you even think this would be the case. Go grab a plastic bottle and step in it. When you realise that no it doesn’t snap, try to fucking jump on it as hard as you can.

You think milk is the cause why you have obesity, diabetes and hearth disease?

Look vegetarians and vegans have a couple of good points that can be used to get more people interested. Keep going calling milk whatever you called it, referring to ‘murdered animals’ and making up shit to explain obesity and no wonder you can’t even convince your mum to take you seriously.

And 1/3 of the internet will defend them for 'reasons

I’m one of the people that often jumps in on posts like these. It’s hardly defending them, hear me out.

I’m not in the us, I looked at that picture for 45 seconds straight to understand what’s wrong with it, I assume it’s the price but I have no idea what that shit is so I had to read all the words on the package to understand if it was another issue…

The good news is that your life doesn’t depend on eating this shit. Don’t like the price, don’t buy it.

I hate how a serious issue, prices are going up is diluted down by people bringing in stupid arguments like Starbucks “coffee” costing a fortune or Netflix jacking up prices. My point I am not defending Graham, Starbucks nor Netflix, just stop buying overprinting that you don’t need or if you really do, stop complaining.

Now if we want to talk about the price of actual groceries, like fruit vegetables and meat we can all have a serious convo

No it doesn’t depend on the person’s weight

Not sure is sarcastic or not but an interesting point. I eat meat and see some future in alternative meats, if produced, marketed and labelled clearly could benefit everyone.

That said I can’t stop but thinking that vegans should stop this nonsense of using murdered and other similar bullshit when talking, it removes any credibility they might have. Just saw in another post someone referring to milk as something like baby cow formula, and I facepalmed.

Look I hate ceos profits like anyone else here. But you are right you chose shitty examples to cry poor, and they make less and less sense as you keep going.

If you knew what making ends meet means, you’d stop with this deck nonsense. You wouldn’t have friends over when you can’t afford to buy groceries, or if you know your dexk ia not safe. And you’d understand that you are privileged, are making choices with your money, and are winging because you are wasting it - new deck, new shoes, new clothes and new bed.

But sure keep going. Redoing your deck is a basic human right, how dare anyone on lemmy challenge that.

Sure, and that why when you walk into a shop and ask for milk, everyone asks you “what kind of milk would you like”?

baby cow growth formula.

LOL, way to be taken seriously

I am not sure why you say I’m treating you like a vegan, or gullible. All I saw in your previous post was ignorance, like GASP chickens eating meat. And cows getting murdered.

If I come to the US I’ll certainly consider a month off meat.

However why you are giving me all this dietary advice? I just asked why you think chicken in a sandwich is unhealthy and now you are trying to get me not to eat meat NOR sugar!

BTW I don’t eat sugar at all and cowspiracy is trash

Re your edit, no one is simping for Starbucks, just common sense. You don’t have to have milk with your coffee. For fuck sake, you don’t even have to have a coffee.

Want something unusual in your coffee? Pay for it.

Not happy, about how much they are charging for it. Make your fucking coffee at home before leaving the house and put whatever you want in there.

We are not talking insulin prices here, let’s get real.

If you say so

Lord I don’t know where to start, i thought you had some insights on chicken meat that ib was not aware of but… you just sound confused and most of this is just a mess, let’s address one thing at least

I bet chicken eat other animal meat too.

I know you want to make it sound edgy like omg chickens being fed animals but yeah they are omnivore creatures, they do eat other animals starting by bugs and snails, big part of their natural diet, all the way to to actual meat leftover.

I guess we can call their preys, ‘assassinated bugs’?

I had to scroll down a lot to find a sensible comment. Apparently having milk in your coffee is a constitutional right…

So you are agreeing with the person you are replying to that non diary is more expensive?

Yeah I thought about the red meat belief, but we are talking chicken here, white meat. Hence why I asked.