I’m familiar with the concept of transfer (and the Nur paper is indeed very interesting). However, we can’t turn back the clock. It happened a hundred years ago and it sucks. It was awful. That being said, Israel is not going anywhere and the Jews are never going to change gears --esp after Oct 7. Despite their grievances, the Palestinians walked away from several proposals for two state solutions. The return to the 67 borders was only palatable after the Palestinians walked away and it backfired. The fact remains: Israel did cede copious amounts of land back to the Palestinians (after first intifada) and Israel also demolished many settlements. It takes two to tango and negotiations with Palestinian leadership never seems to work out. It’s unfortunate that Gaza is turning into an apartheid condition and I don’t condone the way the IDF is handling the situation at all.
Edit: by the way, I’m appreciating the links to articles and sources you provide.
First of all, I’m talking about Israel, not all Jewish people. Israel has never and will never represent all Jewish people, regardless of how much they try to claim they do.
Now, the expulsions from the 1948 ethnic cleansing campaign Plan Dalet are directly responsible for concentrating the Palestinian populations into Gaza and the West Bank as well as the largest unresolved refugee crisis through denial of Right of Return. In 1967 Israel deliberately decided to occupy the West Bank and Gaza in order to begin settlements to de facto annex more palestinian population while denying Palestinians any human and civil rights. This occupation has only grown and has continued for decades to the present day.
You’re mistaken about the ‘peace talks’ post occupation. Israel has never had intentions for Palestinians to have an independent state. Additionally, they’ve never even let Palestinian leadership take part in the negotiations in any meaningful way. They’ve also continually rejected one of the most fundamental goals that all Palestinian leaders have advocated for, the Right of Return for the Palestinian refugees of 1948. Instead, Israel used these talks to create a De Juro justification for their annexation of the West Bank via settlements that began the moment they controlled the Occupued Palestinian Territories.
“We do not accept the Palestinian goal of an independent Palestinian state between Israel and Jordan. We believe there is a separate Palestinian entity short of a state.”
Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, 1993
The last link and the sources about the Oslo Accords go over this well. Israel has been the one to prevent any real Two-State Solution, so extensively that many prominent New Historians have said and discussed such in their works. It’s been a One-state reality for decades, which is why I advocate for a Binational One-state solution. Here is a bunch of articles about what a Two-State or a One-State solution would look like, plus some articles about what New Historians say on the subject.
I also want to say, I appreciate you being civil and taking a look into the sources I provided.
Thanks. I want to learn more, so I’ll be reading through all your links. Some of it is familiar information, but I’m always finding new stuff. I’ll come back after I’ve deepened some more. I find the binational one-state solution interesting and desirable but not realistic (I’m cynical person to an extent). I’ve lived in Israel, and given the prevailing temperature amongst the Israeli people post Oct 7 it would be hard to imagine such a topic even surfacing. Thanks again!
I’m familiar with the concept of transfer (and the Nur paper is indeed very interesting). However, we can’t turn back the clock. It happened a hundred years ago and it sucks. It was awful. That being said, Israel is not going anywhere and the Jews are never going to change gears --esp after Oct 7. Despite their grievances, the Palestinians walked away from several proposals for two state solutions. The return to the 67 borders was only palatable after the Palestinians walked away and it backfired. The fact remains: Israel did cede copious amounts of land back to the Palestinians (after first intifada) and Israel also demolished many settlements. It takes two to tango and negotiations with Palestinian leadership never seems to work out. It’s unfortunate that Gaza is turning into an apartheid condition and I don’t condone the way the IDF is handling the situation at all.
Edit: by the way, I’m appreciating the links to articles and sources you provide.
First of all, I’m talking about Israel, not all Jewish people. Israel has never and will never represent all Jewish people, regardless of how much they try to claim they do.
Now, the expulsions from the 1948 ethnic cleansing campaign Plan Dalet are directly responsible for concentrating the Palestinian populations into Gaza and the West Bank as well as the largest unresolved refugee crisis through denial of Right of Return. In 1967 Israel deliberately decided to occupy the West Bank and Gaza in order to begin settlements to de facto annex more palestinian population while denying Palestinians any human and civil rights. This occupation has only grown and has continued for decades to the present day.
You’re mistaken about the ‘peace talks’ post occupation. Israel has never had intentions for Palestinians to have an independent state. Additionally, they’ve never even let Palestinian leadership take part in the negotiations in any meaningful way. They’ve also continually rejected one of the most fundamental goals that all Palestinian leaders have advocated for, the Right of Return for the Palestinian refugees of 1948. Instead, Israel used these talks to create a De Juro justification for their annexation of the West Bank via settlements that began the moment they controlled the Occupued Palestinian Territories.
“We do not accept the Palestinian goal of an independent Palestinian state between Israel and Jordan. We believe there is a separate Palestinian entity short of a state.”
The last link and the sources about the Oslo Accords go over this well. Israel has been the one to prevent any real Two-State Solution, so extensively that many prominent New Historians have said and discussed such in their works. It’s been a One-state reality for decades, which is why I advocate for a Binational One-state solution. Here is a bunch of articles about what a Two-State or a One-State solution would look like, plus some articles about what New Historians say on the subject.
I also want to say, I appreciate you being civil and taking a look into the sources I provided.
Thanks. I want to learn more, so I’ll be reading through all your links. Some of it is familiar information, but I’m always finding new stuff. I’ll come back after I’ve deepened some more. I find the binational one-state solution interesting and desirable but not realistic (I’m cynical person to an extent). I’ve lived in Israel, and given the prevailing temperature amongst the Israeli people post Oct 7 it would be hard to imagine such a topic even surfacing. Thanks again!