ah the requirement to show up through me. Im still not ok with a monetary fine. I think I would be ok if your citizenship was downgraded to permanent residency and then have a path to get it back which maybe included public service like cleaning up spaces or such.
That’s significantly worse than the $15 fine they have. Like orders of magnitude worse in every way. You’ll do more damage to the person by forcing them to do community service, and stripping someone of their citizenship is extreme, to the point where it might run afoul of international treaties and qualify as a human rights violation.
It’s like they don’t have an exemption process , just the default is "vote or pay $15”.
well it just gets back to I don’t think voting should be mandatory. That simplifies any controversy. voting is a responsibility of citizenship. if its not going to be on the line then it just should not be required. I really doubt its a good option to have people piss voting in a democracy. Which if they are doing because they are forced to then that is what they will do.
ah the requirement to show up through me. Im still not ok with a monetary fine. I think I would be ok if your citizenship was downgraded to permanent residency and then have a path to get it back which maybe included public service like cleaning up spaces or such.
That’s significantly worse than the $15 fine they have. Like orders of magnitude worse in every way. You’ll do more damage to the person by forcing them to do community service, and stripping someone of their citizenship is extreme, to the point where it might run afoul of international treaties and qualify as a human rights violation.
It’s like they don’t have an exemption process , just the default is "vote or pay $15”.
permanent residency, at least in the us, gives all rights except for voting. It becomes a use it or lose it. $15 can be a big deal if your homeless.
And the whole “you can have it removed and be kicked out of the country thing”.
Like, having your citizenship stripped is so much worse than a ticket, even if you don’t have any money. You can be deported.
Jumping straight there instead of “waiving the fine at clerk or judges discretion” is super extreme.
well it just gets back to I don’t think voting should be mandatory. That simplifies any controversy. voting is a responsibility of citizenship. if its not going to be on the line then it just should not be required. I really doubt its a good option to have people piss voting in a democracy. Which if they are doing because they are forced to then that is what they will do.