• Vakbrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    9 months ago

    You know what feels wrong? You can easily buy GPS tracking devices on Amazon, but it is illegal to use a GPS jammer in USA, Canada and many other countries.

    So companies spying you is fine, but blocking a GPS signal to prevent them from spying can get you a $16,000 fine.

    Edit: my thought experiment is not about truck drivers being monitored but more about those fancy new EVs that sell your GPS based data to data brokers… You usually can’t turn off the GPS in those EVs.

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      9 months ago

      The reason this needs to be illegal is because jamming the signal is not specific to you. You block your signal but you probably will also be blocking it for anyone else in the vicinity. Plus the way these things work they can create interference for other types of signals as well. It isn’t the blocking itself that’s illegal, but the interference that you’re causing.

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        9 months ago

        I totally understand this and I agree when it comes to jammers this powerful.

        My comment was about the low power models which only works for few feet, just enough for to cover your own car. Those are still illegal.

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          8 months ago

          My comment was about the low power models which only works for few feet

          There’s no such thing.

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      9 months ago

      It’s not just EVs - most new cars have these tracking devices where they sell your data to your insurance company to be used against you.

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      8 months ago

      Just wait until your smart toilet can tell the insurance companies what chemical substances you’ve consumed so that the can raise your rates, deny your claims, or sell the info to your boss so the company can fire you with cause.

      We already live in hell and there’s no upper limit on the thermostat.

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        8 months ago

        I mean, I knew it was bad already, but please for the love of god stop giving them ideas that they may or may not have yet thought of…

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        8 months ago

        We already live in hell and there’s no upper limit on the thermostat.

        Well actually there is because the smart thermostats are getting remotely limited by power companies sometimes.

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      9 months ago

      I’m no GPSjamologist, but if a jammer was running in your car, wouldn’t the signal reach other nearby cars while in traffic or does it do it all within the confines of your automobile?

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        9 months ago

        That is exactly why this is illegal. These things can have a range of up to hundreds of meters and thus you’re affecting other people aswell and not just yourself.

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          9 months ago

          From the low power models I’ve seen (which are still very much illegal, same as the most powerful ones) only work between 5 to 10 feet at the very most.

          It’s like when the companies place trackers in cars, we have to assume they have the best intentions in mind (it is definitely for the customers security right?!)

          But if we, the customers, block them from tracking us by jamming the GPS signal, they assume we have the worst intentions in mind (surely we are dirty criminals right?!)

          This is why I said it “feels” wrong.

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            8 months ago

            It doesn’t work like that.

            They broadcast a powerful radio signal on the GPS frequency. You might have to be within 10 feet for it to completely drown out the real GPS frequency, but the waves don’t stop they just spread out and get “thinner” with distance. If it completely blocks the signal at 10 feet, it will severely reduce accuracy further out than that. Likely everyone within line of sight of your car will lose accuracy on their GPS.

            And that would include airplanes, line of sight is a really long distance up above your car. Airplanes use GPS for critical functions including making sure they don’t crash into the ground when they’re flying through clouds / rain / fog so you could potentially cause serious problems. Most likely force the airplane to land in a different city — because they will not land if their altitude equipment isn’t working… yes they have other ways of measuring altitude but all of them are unreliable, which is why they have GPS. You’re taking away one layer of their patchwork system of landing safely and if too many layers are gone then they abandon the landing and fly elsewhere - happened to a friend of mine recently, turned a quick 2 hour flight home into an 18 hour trip.