Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) said policy differences toward Israel between her and President Biden won’t stop her from supporting him in the November general election. “Of course,” Omar said Tuesday, …

Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) said policy differences toward Israel between her and President Biden won’t stop her from supporting him in the November general election.

“Of course,” Omar said Tuesday, when asked by CNN’s Abby Phillip on “NewsNight” whether she would vote for Biden if the election were held that day, in a clip highlighted by Mediaite. “Democracy is on the line, we are facing down fascism.”

“And I personally know what my life felt like having Trump as the president of this country, and I know what it felt like for my constituents, and for people around this country and around the world,” Omar continued. “We have to do everything that we can to make sure that does not happen to our country again.”

  • Maggoty@lemmy.world
    11·
    9 months ago

    Go scroll up the chain. Connections were always a part of it. And I’d say the same to you. Now he’s being raised by a business owner.

    None of these people are working class. You’re trying to fit at least higher middle class to a rags to riches narrative.

    And yes it’s that people are lazy. Congratulations. You’ve found the propaganda line from wealthy people everywhere. Everyone else is just lazy.

    • lennybird@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      9 months ago

      I scrolled up. The conversation went about as follows:

      ME: “Did anyone stop you or anyone else from running for President?”

      YOU: “Yeah actually… [the current setup] bars 99.9% of people from ever running for President.”

      From there I:

      • Proved Obama’s upbringing was fragmented and middle-class at best, wich contradicts your claim they had “plenty of money” and he was not remotely “born connected.”

      • Showed that Obama, a middle-class African American of middle-class parents of middle-class grandparents was not “in the club”.

      • I provided direct quotes from fact-checkers and Michelle Obama herself, noting as much.

      Next:

      • You repeatedly used this unfounded claim that his stepfather — who was largely out of his life by 10 —was an “oil executive” when he was a geologist and consultant at best — Untrue. I cannot find a modicum of evidence on this except a literal uncited reference in some editorialized article.

      • Now you’re moving the goalpost from “middle class” to “working class” by some arbitrary definition no less… ? Come on, I call bullshit.

      The main thing I see eye-to-eye on is that:

      • You need to be “networked” in order to be popular, which is kind of a given. There are many means by which to be networked, of course. In any realistic system you conceive of creating, that will always be inevitable.

      • Money influencing politics is probably the most important issue to address in order to save our Democracy.

      Finally, please don’t straw-man my points. Nowhere did I claim they’re lazy. That is your filling in the blanks to make your response easier. I think I’m FAR more closer to reality in writing, “99.9% of people just don’t want to become President because they have other interests and ambitions and life circumstances” than your claim that “99.9% CAN’T become President” (in your words, “banned”).

      Unanswered questions by you:

      • The pathway of more choice is through the Democratic party and no other viable way. Do you agree?

      • The better CHOICE between Biden and Trump is an obvious one, yes?

      • Relative to the user whom I originally responded, America has more choice than most nations of the world, yes?

      • Maggoty@lemmy.world
        11·
        9 months ago

        Then I contest they may not be as smart as you think, or they just lack any political ambition whatsoever and would rather throw peanuts from the peanut gallery without actually doing the ground-work of grassroots organization or running for office.

        Finally, please don’t straw-man my points. Nowhere did I claim they’re lazy.

        Dude.

        And you can’t just declare you proved something. Especially something as hilarious as, “he wasn’t connected, he just got the money to run a community organization and campaign by magic!” Hell a quick look at his campaign filings puts that shit to rest.

        And then you completely ignore the substantive take on how to deal with the problem to instead defend Obama from being called “connected” and “well off”. Even going so far a to use the refutation of your rags to riches narrative as an allegation that I’m moving the goal posts.

        I’m sorry, do upper middle class/low wealthy dress in rags where you come from?

        Don’t answer that. It’s obvious you never meant to engage in good faith. You’ve been derailing the main point the entire time by getting way too into the details on one guy. And even then you can’t admit when your wrong. No instead we have to accept literal PR as evidence instead of publicly available information.

        • lennybird@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          9 months ago

          Let me make my position very, very clear: Saying someone lacks political ambition does not mean they’re lazy. I have no idea how you misconstrued that, but I hope I made myself clear. If I wanted to call someone lazy, I would just do it. But are you denying it’s easier for people to be critics than actually do better than that which they criticize?

          And you can’t just declare you proved something.

          Well when there is no substantive or sourced rebuttal and I sort of, well, did… Then yes, I am going to say that.

          Reuters:

          RAGS TO RICHES

          Obama has a rags-to-riches side to his story he hopes will resonate with middle-class voters. His mother Ann Dunham was just 18 when she married Barack Obama Sr. and became a single parent when Obama was only two. Obama has recalled that his mother sometimes relied on food stamps to get by when he was growing up and used to wake him at 4 a.m. five days a week to tutor him during the time the family lived in Indonesia. She and Obama’s grandparents, who helped to raise him, managed to get him accepted to Punahou Academy, a prestigious private school in Hawaii. He later attended Columbia University and Harvard Law School.

          I don’t know. Anyone whose parents depended on food-stamps may not fit your literal definition of “rags,” but I think I made my case. But it’s awfully convenient that you can continue to lie about his stepfather’s fortunes and giving Obama a cushy life while – let me check – giving absolutely zero sources thus far while obviously distorting the “oIl eXeCuTiVe” caricature for which you’ve clearly deflected because you know you’re full of shit on this front. Then finally just denouncing any biographical or autobiographical account of their status as being PR (without any actual evidence).

          Then let’s turn a different way: We’ve proved you can go from middle-class to President, but that’s not enough for you and means 99.9% can’t be president (“banned”, as you explicitly wrote)? Finally: I thought I made myself clear in solving issues related to outside money influencing elections and largely agreeing with you in this respect.

          Meanwhile you still dodged the questions, and now I’ll add to that list:

          Unanswered questions by you:

          • The pathway of more choice is through the Democratic party and no other viable way. Do you agree?

          • The better CHOICE between Biden and Trump is an obvious one, yes?

          • Relative to the user whom I originally responded, America has more choice than most nations of the world, yes?

          • Who is closer to reality: “99.9% of people just don’t want to become President because they have other interests and ambitions and life circumstances” or your claim, “99.9% CAN’T become President” because they are, in your words, “banned”?

          Anyways, this has been an interesting conversation and appears to have been exhausted, I’ll leave it there and oblige you with the final response.