I rock with https://www.listentomichigan.com/ and similar organizations taking a safe yet firm stand to voice the Palestinian plight.
FAQ: Aren’t you afraid this will help Trump?
This is a primary where Democrats are trying to get their voice heard by the man who claims to lead our party. We are well-aware that Trump is not our friend. There is a long time between now and November for Biden to change his policies and earn support from Democratic voters.
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Nah, all my homies love telling Biden to stop funding genocide.
i love you and your homies
Biden and Congress should not fund Israel, yes.
The last panel is accurate though. Fucking single issue voters.
If one is going to choose a single issue genocide is a pretty damn good one, you selfish prick
Yeah, but it makes no sense as Trump recently said “Israel should finish the job”. This type of activism is either disingenuous, ignorant or naive. Has nothing to do with being a ‘selfish prick’ but rather I’m just not an idiot. Helping Trump get elected won’t help the Palestinians, but it WILL hurt hundreds of millions of other people around the world.
holy shit that’s a new one, i thought i’d seen every possible way of dissing people who dissent the genocide in the primary but i was clearly wrong!
i added you to the meme 🥰
If you’re being called any of those things, it’s not due to the manipulative false narrative you’ve presented here. Nobody hears “Biden should change Israel policy” and says those things. It’s all the other bullshit such as… drumroll… manipulative false narratives in stupid memes.
I’d add you to a meme but I don’t post lame ass insulting memes about politics, sorry.
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edit: here is a helpful list of comments that do exactly what you claim “never happens” :)
edit 2: another
3: ooh i found another but yeah this never happens
edit 4: mods are doing a good job of removing these, which is good but here is another
The only one that is active is the middle link.
And yeah, that person has a point very similar the same ones I’m making. For one, the ‘uncommitted’ thing wasn’t even a notion when ‘leftists’ started campaigning against Biden on Lemmy. Then, acting like people are going to bash Biden as a genocidal fascist and then all of sudden turn around ‘after the primaries’ and support him sounds like a really unlikely notion
, like, how stupid do you think we are?. Let me rephrase that: I don’t believe many of the people spreading these thoughts will support Biden ever since they claim things like “both parties are fascists” (which is barely debatable) and also, the negative attention on Biden will continue to affect people’s opinions through the time of the general election.Biden didn’t choose for Israel to do this, nor does he make 100% of US policy decisions, and it’s come at a very convenient time for his opponents to blame the entire situation on him. If he loses because of this single issue, keep in mind Ukraine is fucked, the EU is fucked, Central Americans in the US are fucked, anyone who depends on social welfare in the US is fucked, and that’s just the start. I’m Netanyahu would prefer Trump anyway, so he’ll be fine.
RE inactive links
ok good that means the mods have done us a favor and removed all the comments that were making such fucked up accusations. im seeing other commenters here claim i am making up a strawman when in reality this meme is based on real interactions im having here. on lemmy.ml/world/blahajzone etc
edit 2: i found another, here’s a screenshot so it cant get deleted
acting like people are going to bash biden as a genocidal fascist and then all of a sudden turn around…
OMG genuinely no! i would never claim that in any way. i dont want to accuse you of strawmanning so please consider that you have grossly misunderstood my position! biden is not a fascist. trump is a fascist. please let me know what part of my post made you make this assumption because that was never my intention! (and if you are strawmanning fucking stop it 🥲)
edit: also check out this post which i believe represents my position well. i have also gotten good feedback from others that it provides a good model to understand the situation.
RE your last paragraph
100% agree, except that i don’t seek to “blame the situation” on him. rather, the uncommitted movement is asking for representation from the guy who claims to represent them.
once again see this post, i think it’s good and i hope it can provide further clarity
Thanks for the clarification. I think my attitude comes from being genuinely concerned about Trump plus weariness from talking to other people about this. Personally, I’m far from fanatical about Biden, and wish someone else was running, but the fact that he’s a competent adult and not a deranged, greedy narcissistic traitorous lunatic is a major factor for me. The Democratic Party does need major reforms, though it’s not nearly as diseased as the Republicans, and I can see where you’re coming from. This post does a better job of explaining the concept than others I’ve seen, though I still have the concerns I’ve mentioned before.
Hitler created a lot of jobs. Laid a lot of railway. Was big on industrialization and high-tech.
He just had that single-issue thing with the Holocaust.
Oh, just that - so you think invading Poland, France, Belgium and bombing the UK were good policies?
So you agree, but for some reason oppose others exercising their political freedoms and vocalizing their grievances — immediately deriding all opposition as “single issue voting”, even though OP didn’t imply they intend to vote for fascism at all, let alone based on this single issue?
Sounds pretty fuckin anti democratic to me hey…
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- neoliberals status quo-ers
- genocide deniers
- people who don’t know how the primaries work and are too stuck up at this point to learn
they generally don’t identify themselves so you gotta guess
I don’t believe the claim that “we’re just bashing Biden on this to influence Israel policy and we’ll stop after the primary”.
And “don’t intend to vote for fascism at all”… yep, so discourage people from voting for Biden entirely by basically saying “both sides are the same!!”. Claiming the Democrats are fascists is reducing all the differences Ds & Rs have to a single issue. So no wonder people would say what they say in the last frame since that type of argument could only result in helping get Trump elected. So best OP can do is post a stupid cartoon mocking critics.
Oh my goodness, I was strolling through my feed and tripped right over this strawman. Who put this here? Does somebody think this will scare crows out of this neighborhood, what on earth is it doing here?
it’s a meme, not a strawman. it’s not even an argument.
if you throw a stone into a pack of dogs
It presents some imaginary person countering the notion of criticizing Biden over Genocide with outrageous claims and deflection. That’s what a strawman is, when you build an opposition to your stance who doesn’t really exist.
this is such a funny comment bc every one of the phrases in the last panel is from comments (often now deleted) on this very platform. one of them is even from this comment section (though they eventually came around and i don’t know that they stand by it anymore)
the stance exists. i don’t claim it’s yours, but if you want to deny it exists that’s a problem you should maybe self reflect on.
who are they arguing with? what’s the argument they are misrepresenting?
this isn’t a strawman. no argument was happening before op posted their satirical cartoon.
The stance is “I agree and we should ask joe biden to stop funding a genocide” and the imaginary leftist strawman is “ur spreading fascist fud russian bot stop playing their game conservative astroturfing”
In reality, the actual response you will receive from a leftist is “YES” and depending on their mood you’ll also get an additional several paragraphs of nuanced educated political discussion.
a straw man is a misrepresentation of someone’s argument. who is the someone whose argument is being misrepresented?
Leftists who will vote for Biden.
I haven’t seen that happen. I feel like you’re making that up. I feel like you’re just mad about a meme that hits too close to home.
naw it’s not leftists saying the “strawman” it’s white liberal capitalists.
