Brute force protection

@memes

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    8 months ago

    As a non programmer, is the joke that humans will retype their password assuming that they made a typo?

    If so, sick indeed.

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      8 months ago

      The guy coding made it so, on your first attempt, even if you answer correctly, it will tell you your login failed due to incorrect username or password, to joke about how it feels like you always get it wrong on the first try

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        8 months ago

        The logic is bugging me, though. It should be if isFirstAttempt || !isPasswordCorrect

        I understand the meme is trying to convey in spite of being correct to still return an error, but then it doesn’t account for when the password is actually incorrect.

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          8 months ago

          Like the other person said, it’s not meant to always fail the first time you enter any password.

          It is meant to fail the first time you enter the correct password.

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            8 months ago

            So it should be: if password == correct and first_success == true then { login failure; first_success = false }

            Something like that.

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          That defeats the brute-force attack protection…

          The idea is that brute-force attackers will only check each password once, while real users will likely assume they mistyped and retype the same password.

          The code isn’t complete, and has nothing to do with actually incorrect passwords.

  • Pacmanlives@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    I remember in college editing OpenSSH source code to instead of return wrong password to a root shell prompt just to stop brute force attacks

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        8 months ago

        Example of what My passwords are like :
        %*7EfOLkN@6AP28!8Dl#
        or potentially if allowed :
        W@c2wYnN9J3xGcyc47#ZkHJvt&Hm%q&Ad0b&Xwz#jnl4Th%6UBexD16a$YBFc@svnVrCBxXP0EpwLp6%Gk*Lom%@Qq#DjY1zsf0CzIrHHqPc8gt4edDVsg!omj*kIsIJ
        Good luck guessing my shit.

        • smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
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          Amateur! Strong enough passwords are like:

          ÕÚüd¸2stb½õ~jëv×Â/oyÓh²î´t¶»Ö°ÍðoNVRïé2Wc4'H,CâÞó_ökÅ,Kð¡X9ÄÀ.þTØÓoæ73d*ëÞ¢?²i"`צeÉçß,ÎÅëüS.¹([)ãÒÑêf9÷¿¢=@Á×ÅQÎÂßu¸Å(iRZµîw&ãR
          
          • Rustmilian@lemmy.world
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            8 months ago

            Try this on for size :

            `'�d+�t<�5mF�qrqcmv/�F��~��Yv�Om�/lK�RɏY%ɺP1�h�Ryl-G/��m�ʰ�+^)��<>�itdkaz�q2HA*1�PK�D@{9�vN.<}�~ٕ�_�26IA/cHIn����1ĈҾܒl�I9$�vA��W¸ȶW"z�}θ�x�,>~�Ux�SJZ\�5ÀI��F}nLZT�;KӚq�&NQo32y7���0"^LÎs>��j!��V��k��2O<2W�ƽYcA#8�J�Of�pهZb�%1g�w�!k*h(ʶ73�@�CC�hUsԺe!_��dR�ٞpvG|.=4{v"&.��m=_�͚DZZף�aaZ��Cq�!sG1T3�=2lb,����^�镰n)Ld]��Ϯ
            

            What’s my power level now?

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              8 months ago

              You lever is very low! There are not displayable characters so you cannot easly verity the password by eye or copy from paper.

              • Rustmilian@lemmy.world
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                Why would I have to verify by eye? That’s what a password manager is for. And writing your passwords on paper? ಠ⁠益⁠ಠ

            • darelik@lemmy.world
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              8 months ago

              #ENHANCE

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            That’s the stupidest combination I’ve ever heard in my life! That’s the kinda thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

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        Rainbow tables and presumably newer stuff I haven’t heard of make this sort of thing weaker than it used to be

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          Salting makes rainbow tables pretty much useless, and salting has been a standard practise for a few decades now.

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    If they had the password right the first try, that isn’t a brute force attack, thats a credential leak.

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      It should be that it rejects the password the first time it’s entered correctly but accepts it on every subsequent try. That actually would provide some protection against like dictionary attacks and raw brute force attacks.

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      could also work in a brute force scenario, but first attempt would be not first attempt in a set amount of time but first attempt for each password by the user in a fixed amount of time

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    Well, I sometimes input the same password 15-times in a row, and it works only on the last try. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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    Not to be pedantic but wouldn’t it be IsFirstLoginWithAttemptedPassword or am I missing something?

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      No, it’s correct - say your password gets leaked across thousands of passwords. A hacker will try to crack all of them with a program that guesses them once, which as the image suggests defeats these types of programs

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      no, since it first checks if the password is correct. if it is, display error message. if it is corrent and the second time, accept the password (code not in screenshot) but if the password is wrong, it doesnt check if it is the first attempt.

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          You can’t really prevent a brute force attack. Even if you prevent it from one IP or so, you can still do “distributed” brute force attacks.

          Also only allowing one password per 5 seconds or so per IP will not work if you have lots of users and they are at work and have the same IP.

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          It wouldn’t stop most brute force attacks, which are not performed on the live web service, but rather on a password hasb list that was stolen via some other means.