Remember to always check creative uses of spells with your DM.

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      You make terrain in an area up to 1 mile square look, sound, smell, and even feel like some other sort of terrain.

      No mention of taste. You’d better make it smell really good. Or just use Prestidigitation.

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    You can only make one object. I could understand if it was a big pot of soup, but I don’t see how this counts as one object.

    Here’s how I’d use Fabricate to cook:

    1. Fabricate plate mail.
    2. Sell the plate mail.
    3. Use the money to hire a chef.
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      This presents several problems.

      1. What is “one object”? A proper suit of platemail is like 30 objects, the helm is a different object to the breastplate, and that is a different object to the left sabaton. Such a ruling could cause a lot of table arguments.

      2. Why is “a banquet” different to “a suit of platemail” in this regard? They’re both comprised of several smaller components that could individually be described as objects?

      3. The spell doesn’t explicitly say “you can only make one object” it repeatedly, and irresponsibly careens wildly from using singular examples, and using plurals. The first line of the spell text is “You convert raw materials into products of the same material.” (plural) It then gives examples of “a bridge, a rope, clothes” (singular, singular, plural).

      I don’t see a sage advice on this issue specifically but Crawford has answered “can you make a full set of artisans tools with a casting of fabricate” with yes - and most sets of tools aren’t “one object” either…


      Remember to check creative uses of your spells with your DM. Your DM is at risk and your DM can go down as well as up, and you may not get back all the DM that you put in.

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      Your argument is that a banquet is multiple items and your solution is making plate mail?

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        It really shouldn’t be, but the game treats it as one. For example, the Cleric Forge’s Channel Divinity blessing.

        You conduct an hour-long ritual that crafts a nonmagical item that must include some metal: a simple or martial weapon, a suit of armor, ten pieces of ammunition, a set of tools, or another metal object.

        This is more specific than the general rule

        For the purpose of these rules, an object is a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone, not a building or a vehicle that is composed of many other objects.

        So in the case of armor, it counts as one object even though it’s not a discrete item. But unless there’s something calling a feast one object, it follows these rules.

        If you allow a feast, what doesn’t count as “one object”?

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          StackExchange has an interesting observation here, with people discussing this issue. I thought it interesting, so I’m reposting it here for consideration.

          The general definition of “an object” says that “a building” is not a single object, it’s a structure composed of many other objects. But a “bridge” is essentially a building, commonly a structure composed of many objects - and a bridge is one of the specific examples given.

          “Clothes” is also one of the examples, not “an outfit” or “a piece of clothing” just “clothes.”

          I think, the wording is unclear - it never specifies that you can “only” make one object, it just lists some objects you can make, and uses plurals in a bunch of places. I’ve always read this as “you can make as much stuff as you have raw materials for”


          The other way I would think about this, is that a “feast” or a “banquet” is a conceptual “thing” composed of many parts - but I at least think of a suit of platemail the same way, being familiar with platemail. Indeed some of the objects contained within a suit of platemail are individual objects per the rules:

          “A breastplate” is one object, and contained within a suit of armour “Halfplate” is a breastplate, greaves and vambraces, and that’s “one object” “Full Plate” is a single object, but it contains within it as a subset, “halfplate” and halfplate contains within it “breastplate”

          I don’t think “a meal” is really different to this, it could be viewed as a single entry (full meals are costed as single items in the PHB) - or it could be viewed as the sum of its components.


          Fundamentally, I think the spell wording is not clear. As a DM, I like to go with simplicity and clarity when making rulings. My main goal is “is this a ruling where all the players understand it with the same meaning” - will my ruling cause further arguments or let us get on with the game.

          “You can use the materials to make products made from those materials” as the spell states, and just letting my players have fun with it seems very simple to rule on - do they have enough “stuff” to make the products? That determines whether or not they can do it, and it’s a nice clear line that everyone can understand and agree on.

          On the other hand, Once you start getting into the situation of “is this a single object or not” it gets very complicated very quickly, and players will start to argue and try to game the system in order to be able to make more stuff. Two swords? well that’s two items right? What if the swords were built into a frame and attached by sprue, like model making kits? that one sheet of parts is a single item. How complex a weird single metal object can I forge to get as many different swords as possible out of it?

          You allow a suit of armour but not a banquet? I shape my food into the shapes of all the pieces of a suit of armour, and make banquetmail. It’s now one object… Edible clothes exist, so what if I just claim all my food objects are clothes now?

          I think, the simplest answer is just to go with the simple easy ruling - but check with your DM, they might have their own ideas.

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    Barbarian: PUNCH. If you hit the chicken enough times, eventually you’ll impart enough energy to cook it.

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      I wish I could draw faster, but this process takes a lot of steps, and I substitute my lack of raw talent with time spent.

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        Sorry I didn’t mean to sound demanding. You’re doing awesome work and delivering it to us for free! I was just remembering how awesome that series was.

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    Need to light the campfire? Prestidigitation! Also works to extinguish it.

    Dropped a spoon on the ground? Prestidigitation! It’s clean again!

    Lost the spoon? Prestidigitation! You have a new one for twelve seconds, long enough for a quick stir.

    Forgot a spice and the flavor is off? Prestidigitation! Your meal now tastes exactly how you want it to.

    Need to call the party to eat? Prestidigitation! You create a flare, the sound of a chime, or just spread the smell of cooked food around.

    Left the food out too long and now it’s cold? Prestidigitation! It’s the perfect temperature again. Also works for chilling drinks (your booze hounds will thank you).

    Post-meal cleanup? Done in under a minute no matter how messy the barbarian eats, thanks once again to prestidigitation.