• corroded@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    When you read articles like these or hear about places like Texas bussing migrants to other cities, what exactly do they mean by “migrants?”

    Someone who enters the country illegally would be detained and deported, and someone who enters on a visa would be sponsored by a family member, employer, school, etc. As far as I know, refugees and asylum seekers make up a small number.

    Our immigration system is broken and needlessly difficult, but it does clearly define a person who can live in the country legally. Who are all these people who enter the country and don’t run afoul of ICE but also don’t have a support system? It feels like there’s a legal “gray area” somewhere between illegal and legal immigration.

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      When people come in they use an app and get on a list for an appointment to hear their case months/years in the future. One of my school kids (with pretty severe physical disabilities) came into Texas with parents and grandparents. They found a house to rent and signed a lease, with no idea when or where they might get an appointment. The house burned down and they lost everything. People at school donated clothes and furniture and lots of things to help them get set up again. 6 months later they got notice that their appointment was scheduled in New York. They packed the kid’s wheelchair and everything else they could carry into 2 mini vans and moved to New York with no support. It’s a system that sets people up for failure.

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        8 months ago

        How did they come into the country initially? Is this a case of they came in illegally but were able to apply for residency? I honestly didn’t know that was even a possibility.

        I feel like if someone wants to come into the country, work, pay taxes, and generally be a contributing member of society, why make it so hard? That’s already more than half of the people born here are willing to do, and it’s an overall improvement to the American population. Half of the problems we have with immigration are because it’s so damned hard for the average person who just wants to make a better life for themselves. Unless you’re Native American, we are all descended from immigrants.

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          How did they come into the country initially?

          They show up at the border and claim asylum. That’s it. Once they make that claim the US lets them in and places them in line to meet with a Judge who can either grant or deny their claim. The problem is that right now those Judges have a backlog of 6 or more years.

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            8 months ago

            I had no idea that’s how an asylum claim worked; I think I always assumed it was a very rare process.

            I would be in favor of a system where anyone who wants residency in the USA can apply, and as long as they pass a background check, be immediately granted temporary residency and a work permit; it should be a short process, and it should be free. As long as they can show proof over a period of time (maybe a year or so) that they are gainfully employed and have not committed a crime, give them permanent residency and a path to citizenship. Part of the problem we have with immigration is that it’s so inaccessible and it forces people into an environment where even if they want to contribute to society, they’re not allowed to work. I strongly believe that whether someone jumps the border, claims asylum or overstays a visitors visa, most of them aren’t looking for a handout. They’re looking for what they believe will be a better life than the one they came from.

            Despite the problems we have as a country, I have always been patriotic and unashamed to admit it; I love it here. I also recognize that being an American has nothing to do with your ethnic background, political views, nation of origin, or any other demographic. If someone decides that they want to leave everything they know, move to a new country, contribute to our society, and be a part of our culture, let them! Those are exactly the kind of people that built our country, and those are exactly the kind of people we need today. The crusty old policy-makers who have forgotten that are the source of most of the issues we’re dealing with now.

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              8 months ago

              And maybe schedule their hearings in the city or state where they live or virtually instead of dropping them in one city and scheduling them somewhere completely different?

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              8 months ago

              I’m just wondering what kind of a hellhole you’d have to be coming from to choose the US as an asylum country.

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      8 months ago

      someone who enters on a visa would be sponsored by a family member, employer, school, etc.

      Not necessarily. They can enter on a tourist visa and overstay

      When you enter the US on a visa you get an I-94 which tells you how much you can stay in the country. This is max 6 months for tourists if you have a clean record and you cannot apply for a SSN or get a job. Many people just overstay this period and find a way to work