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VanHalbgott@lemmus.org to Ask Lemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish · 1 year ago

Why does Sega want to manufacture their own graphics cards and processors when they can just use modern ones like from Nvidia and AMD?

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Why does Sega want to manufacture their own graphics cards and processors when they can just use modern ones like from Nvidia and AMD?

VanHalbgott@lemmus.org to Ask Lemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish · 1 year ago
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  • jordanlund@lemmy.world
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    One of the reasons the Xbox 360 was rushed to market a little too quickly was because Nvidia stopped making the GPU on the OG Xbox.

    Microsoft didn’t have a choice, they couldn’t keep making the Xbox.

    You don’t want to be locked in by a 3rd party like that.

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      Surely a company like Microsoft or Sega has enough weight to throw around to get a contract obligating the GPU provider to continue providing GPUs for X amount of years after the console’s launch, right? Maybe that was an oversight on the original Xbox, but I don’t see why they couldn’t do that now.

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        You would think, right? Apparently not…

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        Thats how you get elevated government contract prices, to compensate for ensuring these factories keep making a product longer than its natural shelf life. And also the risk of being stuck with an obsolete technology.

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    I’ve not heard of this, but I imagine the reason is probably because they think they can make them for cheaper and with less restrictions.

  • over_clox@lemmy.world
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    Probably to avoid any issues with licensing and proprietary code and drivers.

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  • otp@sh.itjust.works
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    A quick google didn’t give me any hits. What are you referring to?

    • VanHalbgott@lemmus.orgOP
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      https://www.pcmag.com/news/why-didnt-sega-make-a-saturn-or-dreamcast-mini-blame-the-pandemic

      This article, if you could read it.

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    Same reason Apple started making their own CPUs

  • angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com
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    Huh? Source on this? Their latest arcade board line uses Intel CPUs and nVidia GPUs. That’s the only hardware they make right?

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      https://www.pcmag.com/news/why-didnt-sega-make-a-saturn-or-dreamcast-mini-blame-the-pandemic

      Here, read this article for better context.

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        If they’re trying to make a consumer device with a sales price under $100 (the article says the Mega Drive Mini 2 is $75) that is very hard to do with a modern desktop processor and GPU. It’s also much more horsepower than they need for Saturn or Dreamcast games.

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          which is weird because a raspberry pi 4 can emulate a dreamcast at full speed nicely.

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        To me it sounds like this is saying they’d have to make their own hardware if they wanted to make Dreamcast or Saturn Mini, not that they intend to do so.

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          Maybe.

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    The smaller the price-point target,

    the bigger a chunk of it that each embedded component eats.

    The markup/licensing for the GPU in a little device can be a significant percentage of that little device’s potential-profit-margin.

    Same as a $6 markup isn’t significant on a $1000 thing, whereas it IS significant, when the target-price is only $10, and now you’re left with $4 for all-your-contribution.


    I’ve discovered that the good heart-rate sensors cost in the $30 range, whereas the shit ones are much much less.

    So, if I were to put into production a fitness-trainer that used the proper equations, & didn’t do any spying on people ( as Fitbit & smartwatches do ), then I’d need to … either create a shit product, or bite the bullet & get the good sensors.

    I can’t afford to create my own sensors, see?

    Maybe Sega can afford to make their own GPU.

    Do keep in mind that there already has been a opensourcehardware GPU, iirc, some years ago ( shit performance, but if it’s public-IP, and it can be significantly-improved-on, then it’s possible )

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=opensource+hardware+gpu&t=fpas&ia=web

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    Who says they do?

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      https://www.pcmag.com/news/why-didnt-sega-make-a-saturn-or-dreamcast-mini-blame-the-pandemic

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        When you’re dealing with that vintage of software it’s not a matter of rebuilding the program to target a different architecture. You’re talking about emulation.

        They probably instead were opting to remanufacture chips with support for the original instruction set and none of the quirks of emulation.

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