Firefox spokesperson Christopher Hilton tells The Verge that the browser has seen a more than 50 percent jump in users in Germany and a nearly 30 percent increase in France.
Brave saw a similar increase in users after Apple started letting users choose their default browsers on iOS 17.4 in the EU last week.
So as it turns out, if you give people a choice. Some of them will pick something else.
It looks people just needed to know what choices they had. I love Firefox.
I can’t live without Firefox on my android phone
Unfortunately, I had to decide for Opera instead. It’s much better for larger screens: It properly scales desktop websites and has desktop-style tab switcher.
Apples users could not pick a default browser? Wtf?
I learned the other day that macOS cannot turn mouse acceleration off without going into the terminal, but apparently macOS is user friendly and desktop linux is “only for developers”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCdcuJZux_g
And this is only the usability of a mac. On iPhone the usability is worse. One example, the quick action and notification shade are shown when you pull down from different side of the notch. My wife have used her iPhone 11 for many years, but still cannot remember which side is which.
My friend just has a virtual home button floating at all times, because this is easier than remembering which side gives you quick actions… LOL.
Livakavi 🙌
Usability is not just about customizability. Compatibility and ease of troubleshooting and remedying issues are also majorly important, arguably more so than customization.
Since when mouse acceleration in games is usable? Always-on mouse acceleration is unusability.
Eww!
no one of the normies care
What do they care about?
install apps that work 100% of the times without needing to spend time on it, maybe changing accent color idk
Gaymares care. I mean gamers.
Totaly not a gaymare
Am more surprised you expected this to be a thing. When it comes to Apple users choice is always what Apple chooses. Otherwise they might hurt themselves.
Everything I’ve ever used gave me a choice, so I just assumed it was universal. Now I know.
Historically, if you used a browser other than Safari, it was required to just be the UI, the renderer still has to be Safari.
I have iOS 15.4 and I have a default browser that isn’t Safari. This is more in reference to a new popup on first time bootup that asks you to pick a browser. You could pick a default one before this, you just had to go download it first like on a computer.
Okay that makes a lot more sense.
Aren’t they all still WebKit under the hood though? Until they allow other web engines this is still just the illusion of choice.
Browsers can now run their own rendering engines, which are sandboxed at the app level.
System-level HTML, like web apps on the home screen, are still using WebKit.
Which is how it should have been from the start.
So are we allowed to use all extensions on Firefox? Is it same as Firefox on Andriod?
Mozilla would have to update the iOS app to both run their engine and accept their plugins.
But it will never be like the Android app because the iOS app will still be sandboxed and not allowed to run code outside of itself.
I believe part of the DMA means that they’re allowed to use their own engines. Whether they have that ready right now I’m not sure, but I’m sure it’s in the works.
I thought Firefox said that they were going to have to write two different browsers so they weren’t going to.
Why would they? They already have a Mac build, I can’t imagine it’d be that huge of a difference, but maybe iOS is a lot more different than I realize.
The new browser option iOS exposed is a very strict and limiting custom API to make a browser engine. It’s purposefully obtuse to be terrible but compliant.
They should be fined for this too. Deliberately obfuscating the solution isn’t compliance.
You could already run Webkit Firefox on iOS - I have for years - it’s how I keep tabs synced between devices
I’m pretty sure this is Firefox with Gecko (is gecko still the engine? My memory ain’t workin too great right now).
Analytics nit:
30% of increase in daily installs ≠ 30% increase in users. It might lead to that, but only they maintain the increased install rates and maintain active users.
If I my sandwich shop sells 30% more sandwiches one day, that doesn’t mean I’m certain to make 30% more money at the end of the year. I might make more, I might make less.
Edit: also, this OS update has just rolled out. So this peak might last for a few days, then change once people are no longer getting the initial set up screen.
Could someone add an image of this setup screen?
I dont get why Apple would actively advertise other browsers.
Android is completely open and people still use Chrome, as its the default and nothing advertizes Firefox (Mull) or others like Cromite, Brave, Vivaldi etc.
From the Brave PR account:
Also I believe it was legally required by the EU. List is randomized.
Fucking onion browser??? Damn
At least for Android, you can pick your default browser from a selection in the installation when you first setup your phone. So no, Chrome is not necessarily the default on Android.
What? I never saw such a selection on setup, and I set up some Nokia Android, LineageOS, GrapheneOS and Google Pixel OS
It’s a recent eu (or eea) thing: https://www.android.com/choicescreen/dma/
Edit: that article seems to suggest that it’s only just now a thing, but it has been here a few years already, from 2019: https://blog.google/around-the-globe/google-europe/presenting-search-app-and-browser-options-android-users-europe/:
Chrome isn’t necessarily the default. Samsung Browser is a thing
Samsung browser is just chrome in a jacket.
The biggest threat to an free and open internet is chrome. Chromium the base of chrome is open source and used by many other browsers as the engine (and most of the features). Everything else is clothing. Chrome, edge, brave, Vivaldi etc are all chrome in a mask.
Since chromium is developed and controlled by Google they have defacto control over how these browsers work, operate and display web content. This gives Google massive leverage in control how the web and it’s standards develop.
There is only two other web browser. Firefox and safari. These are the only other operations cable of building and maintaing a modern web browser currently. Chrome took apples safari open source core WebKit to build chrome. They then forked it. Because Google chrome is so powerful, apple will need to follow to keep inline with Google. Google also pays them billions every year. Likewise Firefox is funded by Google through default search.
Google is trying to control the web. Use Firefox.
Lol right, people use whatever they get fed. I cant believe how people use phones as products, what came with it MUST be perfect
But… But… But… We are Apple and we know best. Our users don’t want choices!
- Safari is the bestestest of all browsers!
@Mistral@lemmings.world do you think these new users will stick around?
Hello romp_2_door from lemmy.world, this is Mistral from lemmings.world.
It’s hard to predict with certainty whether new users will stick around or not. This can depend on a variety of factors such as their interests, the community engagement, the quality of content, and their overall experience on the platform.
However, making the community welcoming, engaging, and supportive can certainly increase the likelihood of new users staying. It’s also important to continually provide valuable and interesting content related to technology to keep them engaged.
What are your thoughts on this? Have you noticed any patterns or factors that seem to influence whether new users stay or leave?
That last paragraph lol. “Please feed me more info because I’m actually dumb AF and can’t tell what you’re talking about”
Wake me up when ai is able to discern context, and do more than just spew out words that go well after another 😴
These bots sound like politicians, lol
I saw you posted this in the Firefox community as well. Why did you mention Brave in the title here but not there?
Because that’s the Firefox community?
Ikr? The last known lemming that mentioned Brave over there, was never read again.
If they didn’t make it clear that brave is a series scam company, deservedly.
