• windoesnt@linux.community
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      8 months ago

      In my opinion, I don’t feel like they care about hamas demands and if they did it would be like admitting to their accusations. I’m not very smart so I could be wrong.

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        8 months ago

        I get the same feeling too. Like they’re throwing a tantrum and expecting reality to bend to their wills (which has been Israel’s modus operandi for the last… century?)

      • JustZ@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        Israel doesn’t care about Hamas’s demands. Pretty standard practice all over the world not to negotiate with terrorists, let alone give them a country. It’s never going to happen. Hamas can surrender and maybe live if they give up the hostages, or they can be killed to the man even if it takes another twenty years. They are defeated and completely outmatched, they have nothing to offer at the bargaining table except the hostages and Israel is willing to write them off if it averts another twenty years of terror attacks.

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          8 months ago

          how horrible Hamas is can still never justify killing 13,000 children.

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        8 months ago

        Exactly, and that was a disaster in every sense of the word. Which is why Hamas is refusing the current offer (not like Israel likes it very much either), because the promise that “we’ll start with a temporary ceasefire and turn it into something more enduring” was made before in November and in the end Hamas lost half their hostages for a whole lot of nothing. Even a random guy watching from the sidelines like me can tell; even if the 6-week ceasefire succeeds and becomes permanent, it’ll come at the cost of Israel occupying Gaza, or at least half of it, and that’s assuming it succeeds and Israel doesn’t continue doing their thing in six weeks.

        PS: I don’t remember when it was either, could’ve been December.

        • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
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          8 months ago

          Well, they got a few hundred prisoners released (release of prisoners was their stated goal for their field trip) and a few weeks pause in the fighting, which I imagine they could use from a strategic pov. But it’s obvious that Israel considers those 100 hostages only secondary to taking out Hamas. Which puts the latter in quite of a pickle in these negotiations. And they can’t kill them because that would erode their international support

          • JustZ@lemmy.world
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            8 months ago

            The goal was and still is the destruction of Hamas’s ability to carry out further attacks. Rescuing hostages was always a side quest.

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    8 months ago

    If they’re going to declare arbitrary subsets of the hostages, why stop at female? Why not demand only the short hostages, or only the ones with blue eyes?

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      8 months ago

      I think it’s just the lower likelihood that they will end up as combatants. If you’re in a military conflict you’re generally more likely to hand over hostages that are less likely to come back and fight you

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    8 months ago

    Hamas ALREADY OFFERED EVERY HOSTAGE.

    HAMAS ALREADY OFFERED EVERY HOSTAGE AND ISRAEL SAID NO.

    Fuck this man, every fucking lie will be twisted to make Hamas look like the bloodthirsty goons while Israel parades its slaughter and destruction and sells the rubble to fascists.

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      8 months ago

      The only fascists in Gaza are Hamas. Israel is a democracy, I’m surprised you didn’t know. It’s kind of a central factor in western policy on this matter.

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        8 months ago

        Genocide apologism detected: opinion discarded.

        Go back to reddit if you want to be a smug zionist

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          Why, you want to be in a bubble of safe feelings? Good luck with that.

          I think it’s exactly that attitude that prevents you from seeing what’s right in front of your eyes.

          Can’t get over the hump. All you see are the headlines, not the last sentence that says “these reports could not be independently verified.”

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        Why can’t both Hamas AND Israel be facist? At least be fair in your judgement.

        Also again the fact that you have not blocked me yet tells me that you know I’m right. Maybe it’s painful to admit?

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    8 months ago

    Hamas: ‘But who will we rape during the holy month? Also that would mean the Palestinians get fed which we evidently oppose.’