It is a supreme irony that with urban Democratic leaders easing ill-advised restrictions on police, Republicans in Congress have managed the only successful federal attempt to defund the police.
The bases for the two parties are very very different.
It’s why Republicans can, with little consequence, call Democrats pedophiles, crooks, etc.
Democrats have a big tent, with a lot of moderates in the base. Moderates, for the most part, see democrats as the paragons of virtue, people who should stand tall while their opponents throw shit at their face and call it confetti.
Moderates won’t vote for Democrats if they feel like they can’t be polite. They won’t vote for Republicans but simply keeping them out of the ballot box is enough for Republicans to win.
The only good way to deal with this is as a SuperPAC. Running attack ads and forcing Republicans to play defense. But remember that conservatives have significant backing from rich assholes and they have their own SuperPACs.
I’ll disagree with that, as someone lemmy would classify as a moderate.
We all know the Dems are the only adults in the room. We know they actually want to govern. We accept that the majority of them are corporate shills, but also want to improve things for the people as long as there’s not a direct conflict with corporate America.
Most importantly, we recognize that the other party wants to pillage this country and burn down everything and hand it over to the filthy rich.
If the Dems got into petty attacks on Republicans, you would not lose moderate voters. You may lose more Progressives, but let’s be honest, all it takes is one wedge issue to lose Progressives. They are not a vote worth pursuing. It’s getting more of the red vote, or at least creating voter apathy in the Right by branding all their politicians as the absolute clowns they are.
20 years ago, I would say you were right. Being respectable was a draw. But actions speak louder than words, and the Republican’s actions for the last decade have been absolutely vile. Rhetoric won’t change that.
exactly. the only ones that have shown spine in the Democratic caucus thus far have been progressives.
people mistake activism to move the party in a better direction as “peeling off progressives over wedge issues”. its bullshit.
those same progressives that abhor the current genocidal orgy in Gaza are the same ones that will fight with their lives to protect their socially and poitically vulnerable family, friends and neighbors.
everyone I persoanlly know that self identifies “left” is begging for a goddamn smackdown of these fascists. these are the people that will bring the heat, light and energy at the community level to a depressingly limp Democratic party.
This is exactly what he was saying though, isn’t it? Biden literally used the sotu a few weeks ago to publically call them clowns and you just ignored it. You have a narrative in your head you want to be true, so you’ll seek out whatever you need to make it that way. It’s a waste of time to pursue your vote. It’s already decided.
but let’s be honest, all it takes is one wedge issue to lose Progressives. They are not a vote worth pursuing
and this advice, fellow internet peeps, is how you lose elections to fascists.
Uh huh. I guess all those Progressives that refused to vote for Hillary because of the DNC scandal don’t count. Or all the progressives, who are very loudly declaring they won’t vote for genocide, don’t count. Or the california progressives currently decrying Adam Schiff’s (checks notes) attack ads on a Republican as actually designed to raise his name recognition so Schiffs progressive opponent would lose to a republican, don’t count.
If you think all of the above are ridiculous reasons not to vote Dem in the general election, then you’re not the idiotic progressive fringe I’m talking about, and your vote is already secure.
The bases for the two parties are very very different.
It’s why Republicans can, with little consequence, call Democrats pedophiles, crooks, etc.
Democrats have a big tent, with a lot of moderates in the base. Moderates, for the most part, see democrats as the paragons of virtue, people who should stand tall while their opponents throw shit at their face and call it confetti.
Moderates won’t vote for Democrats if they feel like they can’t be polite. They won’t vote for Republicans but simply keeping them out of the ballot box is enough for Republicans to win.
The only good way to deal with this is as a SuperPAC. Running attack ads and forcing Republicans to play defense. But remember that conservatives have significant backing from rich assholes and they have their own SuperPACs.
I’ll disagree with that, as someone lemmy would classify as a moderate.
We all know the Dems are the only adults in the room. We know they actually want to govern. We accept that the majority of them are corporate shills, but also want to improve things for the people as long as there’s not a direct conflict with corporate America.
Most importantly, we recognize that the other party wants to pillage this country and burn down everything and hand it over to the filthy rich.
If the Dems got into petty attacks on Republicans, you would not lose moderate voters. You may lose more Progressives, but let’s be honest, all it takes is one wedge issue to lose Progressives. They are not a vote worth pursuing. It’s getting more of the red vote, or at least creating voter apathy in the Right by branding all their politicians as the absolute clowns they are.
20 years ago, I would say you were right. Being respectable was a draw. But actions speak louder than words, and the Republican’s actions for the last decade have been absolutely vile. Rhetoric won’t change that.
hard disagree. every progressive I know is ready for a dirty fucking fight.
and this advice, fellow internet peeps, is how you lose elections to fascists.
I consider myself a progressive, and I want that fight. I want the Democrats to show some spine.
exactly. the only ones that have shown spine in the Democratic caucus thus far have been progressives.
people mistake activism to move the party in a better direction as “peeling off progressives over wedge issues”. its bullshit.
those same progressives that abhor the current genocidal orgy in Gaza are the same ones that will fight with their lives to protect their socially and poitically vulnerable family, friends and neighbors.
everyone I persoanlly know that self identifies “left” is begging for a goddamn smackdown of these fascists. these are the people that will bring the heat, light and energy at the community level to a depressingly limp Democratic party.
This is exactly what he was saying though, isn’t it? Biden literally used the sotu a few weeks ago to publically call them clowns and you just ignored it. You have a narrative in your head you want to be true, so you’ll seek out whatever you need to make it that way. It’s a waste of time to pursue your vote. It’s already decided.
Uh huh. I guess all those Progressives that refused to vote for Hillary because of the DNC scandal don’t count. Or all the progressives, who are very loudly declaring they won’t vote for genocide, don’t count. Or the california progressives currently decrying Adam Schiff’s (checks notes) attack ads on a Republican as actually designed to raise his name recognition so Schiffs progressive opponent would lose to a republican, don’t count.
If you think all of the above are ridiculous reasons not to vote Dem in the general election, then you’re not the idiotic progressive fringe I’m talking about, and your vote is already secure.
FYI, you’re not a moderate. You’re a leftist in denial.
Edit: make that a self-hating leftist in denial.