And adaptions that adhere to pre existing lore… Witcher, Halo I am looking at you
Oh come now. If Halo had to stick to pre-existing lore we wouldn’t have seen Master Chief’s ass.
When you make 9 hours of video, but the only redeeming portion of it is 3 seconds of ass.
American audiences are no longer the sole demographic for Hollywood. The audience is global, and high budget films are planned with that in mind. The lowest common denominator is the result.
During his Academy Award speech, Cord Jefferson (who won for the American Fiction screenplay) argued for more low-budget films at the cost of a single big-budget mess. More movies means more types of stories, allowing more niches to be filled. It also creates more industry jobs, and deepens the bench with talent development.
The best way to come up with good ideas is to figure out how to have a lot of ideas in the first place.
The movies of the late 90s are great examples of this. Dozens of different types of new stories made on what are now considered very low budgets. The problem is that without the home video and TV markets those sorts of movies don’t make any money. So many 90s classics didn’t make much at the box office but made bank on home video or with licensing.
Market conditions have changed, and the product needs to change with it. Just like how MTV hasn’t been “music television” for a long, long time.
Can confirm. I’m 38 and I cringe every time I see a remake of some 20 or 30 year old movie or show. Come up with something original instead of going for the low hanging fruit. Also, use less CGI and more practical effects.
Too much bad cgi now days.
Look at top gun 2. I wasn’t excited at all to see it. I left the theater pumped and saw it four more times.
Top Gun 2 was full of CGI…
True, what people want is seamless VFX.
I watched Argylle and everything looks so fake. Most of it was shot on a green screen. Half the charm of an extravagant spy movie is taking us to exotic locales.
Yes, but Argylle doesn’t take itself seriously at all. Which for me was a good thing
Yeah, I didn’t mind the light tone but still felt like a fake movie. Like something you would see a fake trailer for in another comedy.
Super-fake looking locations and stunts.
When I first saw the trailer on TV, I assumed it was a cat food ad spoofing movie trailers.
It was full of good CGI
The cgi was used to remove the pilot of the f18. It wasn’t all cartoon look physics bending bs.
Sure the physics of the flight were real as they were flying real aircraft.
However, it is against the air forces rules to fly so closely in formation. CGI was used to bring the jets closer together to look better on camera. The majority of the environments were CGI as they were not permitted to fly so close to the ground or obstacles. The entire opening sequence with the advanced fighter jet was entirely CGI as that plan does not exist. That’s what CGI looks like when you have the means, time, and budget. Plus combining that with practical effects, leads to the best results.
And that’s my point. It wasn’t cartoonish special effects with bizarre physics.
It was well down.
Alright. Well I agree
Perhaps you did not get your point across in your downvoted comment
But also a ton of practical effects. The CGI was mostly there to help the practical effects, the movie wasn’t full on CGI like Avatar.
None of the planes shown in the film ever left the ground.
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The planes look good, but they are almost entirely CGI. The difference is that they used realistic flight maneuvers and reference lighting to make it look really good. Practical effects means little to no CGI and that definitely does not apply here.
That is false. Most of the flying is legit.
https://www.ign.com/articles/how-top-gun-maverick-astonishing-practical-effects-were-achieved
Lots of practical effects as well. The flying was mostly practical. The used cgi to make the f18 look like a one seater but the flying was legit
The flying was legit when looking at cockpits, but the planes were all fake. They actually created plane models that don’t exist in real life. You can bet that unless it was a scene with several humans on screen talking face to face, about 90% of what you were seeing was made by a computer animator.
A good story is a good story. Lots of CGI or no CGI doesn’t change that fact. There are lots of movies with no CGI that are just garbage.
The issue is studios trying to avoid having to write a good story trying to mask a mediocre story with lots and lots of mediocre CGI. Why? Because it’s faster to create lots of computer effects than to come up with a great story. It’s also a lot easier to create an assembly line for CGI than it is to create one for great stories
It was a damn good movie.
I thought I was going to hate it. It seemed like a cash grab. I’m not a huge fan on Tom cruise. It was just a damn good movie. Movies have forgot they’re supposed to be entertaining. It was entertaining.
*Looks at Millenials and Gen-Z queuing round the block for the latest mediocre Marvel horseshit*
You can say you want one thing, but you’ll cheerfully pay for whatever the adverts in your tiktoks tell you to buy.
From what I understand this keeps happening because “Hollywood money” is afraid of untested “formats.” Everyone wants easy money, “no one” (read: investors) wants to create art, they want an “easy” jackpot.
This kills the medium. I haven’t watched a new movie in I can’t even say how many years, possibly a decade.
I watch a lot, and can say there’s plenty of stuff out there that’s still good, whether it’s arty (Killers of the Flower Moon, Oppenheimer, Poor Things) or fun (M3GAN, Barbie).
There’s a fuckload of money being squandered on absolute bollocks though. Aquaman 2 cost over $200 million. Expend4bles cost $100 million. Both should have been scrapped before filming.
I’ll have you know I don’t queue up for Marvel horseshit. I put it in my Radarr list like a civilized human being.
I wonder how many times in my life I will get to see Batman’s parents die? Or James bond play poker? Or star wars get ruined?
I don’t see anything wrong with serialized media, the problem is people are not also taking chances on more novel stuff. Even when it gets made. “Moon” came out fifteen years ago and I thought it was really good but damn near every time I bring it up I’m the only one who even heard about it. “Knives Out” was great, “Glass Onion” was alright, we get weird stuff like “Pig” and “The Menu” and that’s all stuff with big names and decent budgets. There’s tons of smaller stuff coming out too but if you don’t pay attention or seek out film festivals, or know someone who does, it might as well not exist.
Are theaters just too expensive for casual audiences? Is the opportunity cost too high? Or is it just a marketing failure?
I love moon. It is a shame it is not better known, great movie.
Yes theatres are too much for a cash strapped general population. But we also see streaming get ruined all the time, the last time netflix had a show I liked (I am not OK with this) they cut it after one season, and for what? We have a situation where movies/shows should be easier then ever to make but we instead have next to nothing worthwhile out and advertised.
I also hate when they remake movies that don’t work with today’s production companies. Remember what they did to Old Boy? Why did they even try? And why did they think removing the big shocker (the whole point of the movie) would work?
My girlfriend and I still use yes chef because of the menu. Even in non cooking situations
What the fuck is this article smokin? Is it AI?
…of these young kids,
Ok goddamnit, enough with the millennials r kids n shit. Im 45. Millennials are adults. Adults! Kiss my pucker, fucker
I’m.a 33 y/o millennial with a mortgage and shitty movies I don’t want to watch. Hopefully they’ll stop calling millennials “kids” by the time I retire.
Maybe it’ll just morph into a pejorative like Boomer did. Like standing in for kid? Ha! More likely it’s gonna be like how they did the Xers and simply not speak of us at all
If you’re 45, aren’t you technically Gen X? My understanding is that the Millennial generation starts in the 1980s, with Gen X being between 1965 and 1980.
Generations aren’t about hard lines of division. For example, if some was born in December 1979 and another in January 1980, they would have more in common than with someone born in 1975 or 1985.
I was born six months before the millennial cutoff, but I find many of my touchstones align with millennials than with Gen X and then I have some that line up with Gen X.
Ultimately, the utility of generational analysis is degraded with pieces like this. There seems to be something useful about looking at how certain aged people relate to events, but trying to ask about “How millennials are ruining the work place for Gen X” isn’t a good use of that analysis.
I dunno, Ive read many different date start times. Usually i am a millennial, i think only ever saw myself at the end of the x cutoff once. There’s even A goofy tiny 4 year “gen” thing i got lumped into once or twice called xennial. I dunno where i belong. Good thing it’s all bullshit anyway
Ok goddamnit, enough with the millennials r kids n shit. Im 45. Millennials are adults. Adults! Kiss my pucker, fucker
I think they meant in emotional terms.
Aaand the Boomer came out swinging! Bold move cotton! Listen big guy, i know it ain’t your fault, it’s all the lead in the air. Just try not to forget who he is when i send my kid over to mow your lawn next time, k?
So Boomer actually means that they have the mental state of Lead Poisoning?
Not even remakes… Remakes of remakes made 3 years before The latest remake
Spiderman: Recursion
With that though, I’m happy with good sequels to old movies, franchises or shows. Not many actually do that, but a few gems IMHO include Rogue One and Ghostbusters: Afterlife.
Really though, if they’re going to regurgitate old stuff why not take a movie/series that had a good premise and bad execution. It at least stands a chance of being better the second round.
Hell, you could even poke fun at the reasons the original sucked and/or make it a twist in the remake.
Really though, if they’re going to regurgitate old stuff why not take a movie/series that had a good premise and bad execution.
Sometimes there are movies that have absolutely nothing going for them except the background. And I want a movie about the things going on in the background.
Ad Astra may have been utterly god awful, but I would actually enjoy a movie about the moon base.
Lol, and whatever happened to the space monkeys.
Alf: the musical
The new Bill and Ted was pretty good. I’m kind of curious what movies you think could be rebooted to be made better…
Yeah, some stuff has including Bill and Ted.
Off the top of my head, stuff that had a neat idea but kinda didn’t come out or do well:
- Krull
- RIPD
- Hancock
- A good portion of the Justice League movies (but too soon for that)
- Avatar (though I’ve heard the new series is ok, also: not the 3D one with the giant Smurfs)
- Solaris
Various book or game adaptations that tried and failed or were overshadowed by something else
- Narnia (failed vs Harry Potter and didn’t get followed through, but wasn’t that bad)
- Percy Jackson
- Eragon
- Dresden Files TV series
- Wing Commander
- Doom (the 3rd game in the series actually did have a plot and it was better)
I wouldn’t mind remakes of old movies, because personally I’m not going to go watch a movie that was made in the 80s even if it is a classic or was amazing at the time.
I don’t care for remakes of movies that are like 8-10 years old.
The 80s is too old? I understand not enjoying the style of the Golden Age of Hollywood, but what about movies like Back to the Future or Full Metal Jacket or The Princess Bride puts you off?
Not sure, I like watching movies but I’m no movie buff. I don’t analyze movies critically for art and style, I just like it or I don’t. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a movie from earlier than 2000 that I can say I’ll rewatch it again sometime because I loved it so much. Tried a few here and there but they just never caught my interest much.
Probably the oldest movie that I can actually say I loved and will rewatch every few years is 28 days later from 2002. I would even struggle to name any movie older than that.
Here’s what people want… Good movies and good television. Yeah, originality is great, but remakes can be good too.
I liked the remake of Infernal Affairs (The Departed), Scarface, Cape Fear, Ocean’s 11, The Fly, King Kong (Peter Jackson), True Grit, Judge Dread, and The Wizard of Oz (1939) was also a remake. The Fall Guy looks good too.
For TV, there’s Battlestar Galactica, Westworld, Cobra Kai, Sabrina, and Wednesday, though different, could fit in there as it’s still based on another property.
What people don’t want are obvious cash grabs.
I don’t think Wednesday should count as remake. Also I want to add The Lighthouse to your list of good remakes.
Yeah, I was hesitant to put Wednesday on there. I guess I was going for stories/characters we’ve seen before vs. something completely original. Wednesday is more like Cruella. Both good, both original, but based on previous property.
Hell some of those remarks are better than the original IMO the True Grit remake is infinitely better than the original one, mind you I dont like John Wayne movies and this aint even me being political I fucken love Clint Eastwood movies.
I think it’s funny you use Clint Eastwood to prove you’re not politically motivated because he talked to a chair to entertain conservatives while John Wayne on the other hand was a Nazi. Like I get it, you can absolutely disagree with both it’s just funny the difference in egregiousness.
One went out to campaign for nazis, the other was one. I frankly don’t see a difference.
The Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked ass where the original was legit campy and crappy. Reboots can be okay, but for one: stop rebooting a great and successful franchise, you already are up against a very high bar.
Honestly sometimes we’re fine with cash grabs too, aslong as they don’t require much attention. For example John Wick is a really fun and easy series of films to watch but you don’t need to have 100% attention throughout
I have to say, I recently realized there was a fourth and I hadn’t seen the third, and I didn’t care for those two. The first on was amazing. The second was good, but started introducing too much gun-magic the third and fourth had lost all the authenticity the first one was known for. The first everyone talked about how it was somewhat realistic and people moved and behaved in a believable way. In the third and fourth everyone is just running around using their jacket to block bullets while firing blindly but perfectly accurately. It got really dumb.
Gen-X here, we do too
Your generation only speaks when spoken to!! /s
Who are you and how long have you been there???
GenX wants original shows, too.
You got Star Wars
Movie studios pay unimaginable money to learn what people want. It is a constant, year round expenditure for them. Their information and data suggests that while a vocal minority may be fed up with remakes, people still fervently buy them, have very short memories and seem to go bananas for any shred of nostalgia bait.
Remakes are as a result an incredibly safe bet, they are less expensive and less risk, which in financial terms is a green light. Until they aren’t either of those things and they carry more risk, they will continue to be pedalled out.
False. They pay unimaginable money to find out the least amount of money required to make the most profit. Which means reducing risks on unknown properties, repeating trends that have been successful. So original stories represent unknown risk even if it’s something the public wants.
If you ask people what they want it makes sense you’ll get a lot a sequels.
Like if you asked people what they wanted 200 years ago they would say faster horses, not a car.
I want trains.
True. Which is why you need to market your car as the world’s fastest horse that never needs to eat and doesn’t shit on things.
Same for Gen X. No one wants remakes. Why the fuck do people watch them?
I want remakes of badly made movies. I don’t want remakes of classics that were already good. Re-screenings, perhaps. How cool would it be if your local decaplex ran Ben Hur for a weekend or something?
I’m in Atlanta and we have a few theaters here that will play old stuff sometimes. I saw the directors cut of Brazil recently at one.
Boomers. Same reason why they’d much rather go to concerts for halfway decent cover bands of their childhood favorites than put any effort into discovering new music
Personally I feel like we must be due for another Batman movie, they feel the need to make a new one of them every five or six years.
And another Hulk and Fantastic 4.
Bruh im so sick of these remakes.
