• AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.mlEnglish
    341·
    6 months ago

    Brave is garbage. It’s a cryptoscam adscam browser based on Chrome. For the love of god, use Firefox (or Vivaldi if you absolutely need chromium)

    • Clandestine@lemmy.zipEnglish
      61·
      6 months ago

      I can’t say I disagree, I’ve long abandoned it on my PC.

      But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone, so I’m still using it on my phone.

      • Samueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
        13·
        6 months ago

        But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone

        It is the same on android, it even lets me watch youtube vids without ads and in the background.

          • Samueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
            02·
            6 months ago

            Las time I could not watch youtube vids in the background in firefox.

            I also had trouble getting files that download multiple files at once to work on firefox.

    • elwy@fedit.ioEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      At least on android Firefox has Google tracking built into the app among much other tracking/ads. If you don’t like Brave you may want to consider a Firefox fork. On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.

      Edit: I forgot criticizing Firefox is wrongthink on the fediverse and will get you donwnvoted no matter what. Even if it’s in the context of advising people to switch FROM Brave TO a Firefox fork on Android.

      • Fushuan [he/him]@lemm.eeEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        I’m not sure if fennec has it, it’s the core Firefox android build that is not published to the store.

        • elwy@fedit.ioEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          Fennec doesn’t have any of it (Google Analytics, Pocket, Mozilla Tracking), which is why it’s my choice of mobile browser. It’s on FDroid

      • Syrc@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.

        Safari + AdGuard gave me no issues so far.

    • 13@kbin.run
      01·
      6 months ago

      @AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml @FatCat@lemmy.world Brave may have its flaws but at least it has an offline Dino game, what does Firefox have?

    • Samueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
      02·
      6 months ago

      Brave is great, has configurable keybinds, nice default adblock block list, vertical tabs, syncing sessions without email, etc.

      And on android it can play youtube vids on the background.

      The crypto ads just get disabled on the new tab page, you don’t even have to go to the settings lol. And vivaldi is partially closed source btw.

        • Samueru@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          Brave is an interesting case, they found a way to make money that doesn’t involve tracking their users, making deals with google or be closed source lol

          If you hate that fine, I definitely prefer that than the other alternatives lol.

    • Norgur@fedia.io
      151·
      6 months ago

      Forgive them. They aren’t used to choosing their browser yet.

      • akilou@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        121·
        6 months ago

        They’re Apple users. They aren’t used to making any decisions when it comes to how their phones work

        • Nurgle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          42·
          6 months ago

          I’d defend myself, but I work in digital marketing so I’m not going to dissuade anyone from using AdWords… I mean Android.

            • kameecoding@lemmy.worldEnglish
              01·
              6 months ago

              They also work how I want them to, well instead of having to fight my own phone, it just works, go figure

              • rambaroo@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
                0·
                6 months ago

                Oh give me a break with this nonsense. Android has an 80% global market share, your average dipshit uses it just fine. It also “just works” and very frequently works better than iOS.

                Safari is a shit tier browser when it comes to web standards and performance. It’s hilarious how iOS users try so hard to justify blowing $1000 on a phone when an Android 1/2 of the price does exactly the same thing and is just as easy to use. Why can’t you just enjoy your apple garbage without having this weird superiority complex?

                • kameecoding@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  6 months ago

                  Uff, projecting a bit aren’t we? I didn’t start the flame war, the other guy started by shitting on iphone users.

                  And yes, android phones do the 80% of Iphones for less money, but you know what? Those last 20% I do care about.

                  Just something as simple as switching my wireless earbuds between my computer and phone seamlessly, compare the experience between android + windows/linux and the experience with Iphone + macbook with airpods.

                  Small shit like that " just working" makes a huge difference in UX and thats what I care about.

                  Not sure how Safari being garbage is relevant, so is chrome, I use firefox, so, whatever?

                  I have has wireless bluetooth earbuds since like 2018, all of them had the issue that if I put my phone in certain pockets they would cut out, etc.

                  Even my airpods had that issue with my latest OnePlus phone, guess what, never happened once with Iphone, it just works, I don’t have to think about which pocket I should be putting my phone into.

                  The most annoying thing about the Iphone is the keyboard, but I am getting used to it, tried swiftkey, but just as much of a laggy poece of shit as it is on android

    • Refurbished Refurbisher@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      6·
      6 months ago

      Vivaldi is a proprietary rebranding of Chromium. Can’t say I’d recommend it over (or in addition to) Firefox.

      We need less forks of Chromium. Any one company (Google in this case) having total control over browser engines is dangerous, and is a big reason why the whole Apple/Safari/Webkit situation is such a big deal to begin with.

      • Technus@lemmy.zipEnglish
        6·
        6 months ago

        Remember kids, if it’s Chromium based, it’s still part of the problem. The Chromium project only exists to provide the illusion of choice. Don’t let Google have the power to dictate web standards at will.

        • Scrollone@feddit.itEnglish
          4·
          6 months ago

          The worrisome thing is that there’s no alternative other than Firefox, or Safari on Apple platforms. Every single other browser is Chromium.

          We must defend Firefox at all costs, it’s the last glimmer of freedom.

          • zarenki@lemmy.mlEnglish
            3·
            6 months ago

            Every single other browser is Chromium.

            One exception I’m aware of: GNOME Web (aka epiphany-browser) uses WebKitGTK, which is based on Apple’s WebKit rather than Google’s Chromium/Blink. But it’s Linux desktops first and foremost. Not on mobile platforms, not exactly intended for Windows (might be usable with Cygwin/WSL) or macOS (seems to be on MacPorts) either, and even on non-GNOME desktops like KDE it might seem a bit out of place.

            I daily drive Firefox but Epiphany is my first choice fallback on the rare occasion I encounter a site that’s broken on Firefox.

      • OrangeCorvus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        21·
        6 months ago

        True but if you use Vivaldi and then you try to go back to Firefox, it’s like going back in the early 2000s. I always say this, Firefox should have been like Vivaldi. Super customizable and packed with features. Instead you have to rely on extensions and thus put your trust in the creator of said extension that they will not sell it. Heck even with extensions, trying to mimic the new tab page from Vivaldi is a masterclass in patience.

    • RmDebArc_5@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      Vivaldi is extremely slow on IOS and 2gb+ big. Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock. Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.

      • abhibeckert@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.

        Um, Safari is so privacy friendly that Google regularly asks me if I’m human. For example it has “private relay” which is similar to TOR* so trackers don’t even know your IP address — combine that with blocking third party cookies (and even some first party cookies) by default and providing false data to fight fingerprinting even if you don’t block trackers entirely - and blocking them entirely is as simple as installing an extension. Private Relay also adds a layer of encryption on top of DNS queries and otherwise unencrypted http traffic… so your ISP/Cellular provider/Work/School/abusive husband/etc can’t track you

        99.99% of the Safari’s code is FOSS — dual licensed under LGPL and BSD.

        It’s not the browser I use - pretty lacking in the feature department, but it’s definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I’ve never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.

        (* if anything, it’s better than TOR… with that service there’s a risk your entry/exit nodes are tracking you. With Private Relay it’s always one of Apple’s servers for the entry node and a reputable cloud company like Akamai for the exit node. Both would have to be compromised in order to identify you… maybe a nation state can do that, but a big data tracking company definitely can’t)

    • Bobby Turkalino@lemmy.yachtsEnglish
      0·
      6 months ago

      Because it blocks ads out of the box. I know its new tab screen causes a lot of y’all’s buttholes to clench because it mentions cryptocurrency, but there are harder things to ignore

      • Gerudo@lemm.eeEnglish
        0·
        6 months ago

        Careful, if you try to advocate or defend Brave on Lemmy, you’re stepping on a minefield.

      • FatCat@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        The list is randomized, I’ve seen several screenshots with different order.

    • hOrni@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      6 months ago

      Vivaldi is my go to browser. Brave does a better job with blocking ads. I’m switching to Brave whenever I need to stream something on a site loaded with ads, or when YouTube manages to detect my Adblock for a few days.

        • Cryophilia@lemmy.worldEnglish
          01·
          6 months ago

          “This Other Browser is just as good as Brave*!”

          *if you install x, y, and z and uninstall a and b

            • Cryophilia@lemmy.worldEnglish
              01·
              6 months ago

              You think Firefox is the only browser that can use extensions and add-ons? Brave just doesn’t need them for adblock because it’s built in. But, like all chromium browsers, you can use loads of extensions for loads of use cases. Anything that works on Chrome works on Brave.

              • Resonosity@lemmy.worldEnglish
                0·
                6 months ago

                It’s maybe a few clicks to find the add-ons store in Firefox then searching “uBlock Origin”. Hell, when I switched to Firefox last year, I want to say there was even an onboarding that pointed me to the extension upon setup.

        • hOrni@lemmy.worldEnglish
          01·
          6 months ago

          I am using uBlock Origin on my Vivaldi. It doesn’t block everything.

    • progettarsi@feddit.itEnglish
      01·
      6 months ago

      firefox sucks for most people and vivaldi it’s too complicated to configure + it looks like pure bloat

      • max@feddit.nlEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        Why does it suck though? Works fine for me. Granted, I’m a software engineer, but even looking through my “end user glasses”, I don’t see anything wrong with it.

        • WarlordSdocy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          I wouldn’t say Firefox sucks but there are definitely some things that made me use Edge occasionally back when I used Firefox as my main browser. It was mainly stuff like a webpage that doesn’t support Firefox and extensions not having a Firefox version. Which sure aren’t problems with FireFox, it’s more a problem of it not having enough adoption, but to an end user if the thing they wanna use doesn’t work in FireFox but works in Chrome then that’s FireFox’s fault.

          • max@feddit.nlEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            I’ve used edge before my university disabled profile syncing (only reason I was using it, to be honest). Edge was fine. Switched to Firefox just to see how it is nowadays, never looked back. Honestly, can’t think of any extension I’m missing. Got quite a few myself, but probably not the same niche as you.
            So far I haven’t encountered broken websites yet. Fingers crossed to keep it that way. Though I’ll probably steer clear of such a website unless absolutely necessary.

        • latetolemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          02·
          6 months ago

          Granted, I’m a software engineer,

          Lmao love how you inserted “software engineer” there like that supposed to mean something.

          • max@feddit.nlEnglish
            3·
            6 months ago

            In this context, maybe it kinda does. We tend to be techies, so a bit more accustomed to shitty UI/UX than most users.

      • SeaJ@lemm.eeEnglish
        0·
        6 months ago

        I have very few issues with Firefox. I fine across a site that does not render properly maybe once every other month. I did have some resource issues with it in Windows 10 with it using too much RAM (regularly using 3-4GB) but that has been fixed since I switch to Linux.

        • progettarsi@feddit.itEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          every site i use is slow af in librewolf (basically firefox) and also uses a lot of resources more than chromium based browsers

  • Kairos@lemmy.todayEnglish
    21·
    6 months ago

    Reminder that this graph does not start at zero. Still a ~(EDIT: 50)% increase.

    • iAvicenna@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      6 months ago

      take home message from this graph: if we shift the graph down by ~7K, you can see that we have roughly increased our user base by a factor of 100!

  • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    181·
    6 months ago

    For god sakes don’t use Brave. Brave has been caught doing shady shit in the past, and the CEO is a piece of shit on top of that.

    Use Firefox with privacy addons.

      • hannes3120@feddit.deEnglish
        01·
        6 months ago

        Vivaldi is the best!

        Currently trying out Floorp as a Firefox fork for the possibility that Google’s disabling of adblockers in the manifest will make it impossible to use chromium browsers which is kind of good, too

        But Vivaldi rules as long as chromium is an option!

        • Madis@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          Floorp looks nice and customizable, but in terms of updates it doesn’t seem very sustainable yet.

          • hannes3120@feddit.deEnglish
            11·
            6 months ago

            I get updates every other week

            but I think it’s in a weird spot with not having regular English patchnotes - and afaik they also use an older rendering-engine

            • Madis@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              6 months ago

              Ahh, now that explains why I just saw a smaller number.

              Floorp is based on Firefox ESR. Floorp will be updated every 4 weeks, with security updates provided before each Firefox release.

    • cryptix@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      01·
      6 months ago

      But in iOS , addons (ublock origin) are not available at least outside EU, so brave is the better choice as it got brave shield . everywhere else I use Firefox.

    • markon@lemmy.worldEnglish
      13·
      6 months ago

      There is one issues though… Firefox is extremely slow and clunky. I hate to say it, but on mobile it is hard to use all the time for me. On desktop I’m Firefox 95% of the time but some sites don’t work very well with the much slower JavaScript engine. This isn’t to defend Brave or any chromium browser but we gotta get Firefox up to speed.

      • the16bitgamer@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        6 months ago

        This is on iOS. There is no Firefox (geko) or Chromium, there is only skins of Safari so your point is moot. For now.

      • rambaroo@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        Firefox and chromium both outperform Safari in performance tests, or roughly the same depending on the setup.

        It’s Safari that’s the third rate browser. No one would use that shit if it hadn’t been forced on them and if the other vendors weren’t restricted by Apple.

        There’s a reason Apple stopped making Safari for other platforms. It never caught on, 'cause it sucks. Safari can’t compete without Apple kneecapping the competition. They’re like a sports team that can’t win without playing on their home turf at 10000 ft altitude where they pump in crowd noise and drug the other team’s gatorade

        • markon@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          Wow safari is shit. I didn’t know it was that far behind. Damn. Well, to be fair my problem is my Pixel 6 is a slow ass buggy Google nightmare product. Firefox probably works fine on a Samsung phone but then I can’t install GrapheneOS. Yet I have never bothered so… Samsung and their locked bootloader may be preferable just so Firefox has more hardware to run on lol.

      • RedSeries@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        I feel like Firefox has made some really great strides on the performance front. Especially considering how bloated chrome has gotten as a comparison. But… Yeah that’s valid. I love Firefox like 99% of the time but sometimes I’m almost forced to swap to Chrome to get a site to work correctly or reliably.

        • markon@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          Site devs need to see the threat from browser engine monopolies too. Valve literally started pouring resources into Linux gaming just because Microsoft looked like they were trying to dominate game stores on Windows. Chromium actually dominates the web. I guess at least base chromium is open source. Still though, one of those markets is way bigger than the other and it definitely isn’t Linux gaming. (God I love Proton/WINE and how far we’ve come!)

      • dai@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        Firefox is fine on mobile in my eyes.

        At least the Android version, even on my 5 year old Exynos phone it does what I need / want from a browser. Allows (some) extensions, lets me zoom wherever I want to on any page, has a reader mode and is snappy enough on old hardware.

        Chrome tries to be / do far too much for me, just fuck off and let me browse the web. I do like the dynamic colours that Chrome on mobile uses on different webpages, is hot.

        However Chrome gives me dirty Microsoft vibes, and it’s pretty hard to shake that stank.

        If your on iOS welcome to the walled garden. Hope you live in the EU.

      • markon@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        I just have a shitty phone. Lol don’t buy a Pixel 6. (Unless you pick it up really cheap for temporary use)

    • turkishdelight@lemmy.mlEnglish
      02·
      6 months ago

      Wasn’t the Brave CEO formerly the Mozilla CEO, back when Mozilla was doing a good job?

          • jol@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            3·
            6 months ago

            Would you hire a bigot to run your company so long as the numbers go up? Fuck that mentality.

          • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            6 months ago

            Mozilla was doing poorly when he was CEO as well. Google has been doing everything they can to force Chrome.

            He was CEO for 11 days and in that time all he did was cause a bunch of websites to show a banner requesting that users install a different browser in order to not support a homophobe.

            There was also a boatload of articles about his homophobia that brought Mozilla into disrepute.

            • turkishdelight@lemmy.mlEnglish
              15·
              6 months ago

              The problem is appointing Mozilla leadership based on ideological purity rather than technical merit.

              • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                3·
                6 months ago

                Firstly, who says that’s happening?

                And secondly, this isn’t entirely about purity - even if you personally (and I’m not saying this is your view, btw) don’t give the slightest fuck about gay people and you’re fine with them having fewer rights/fine with others actively trying to strip their rights away - others aren’t, and it’s harmful to the business.

                Eich was CEO for 11 days and achieved nothing other than a Firefox boycott, dozens of negative Firefox headlines, and Firefox being known as the homophobic browser.

                Even from a cold-hearted “fuck human rights, I care only about market share” POV, Eich was still an awful CEO decision.

  • therealjcdenton@lemmy.zipEnglish
    7·
    6 months ago

    Competition is healthy for a market, this is proof that people aren’t happy with the default browser and it’ll hopefully spur apple into improving their browser and in turn causing brave to improve even more

    • Weslee@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      “brave to improve even more”? Don’t you mean stop being a shitty scummy company?

    • laxe@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      6 months ago

      A choice screen is a baby step that’s not enough to level the playing field.

  • fne8w2ah@lemmy.worldEnglish
    51·
    6 months ago

    Still wouldn’t touch Brave Browser due to their past crypto shenanigans.

    • agelord@lemmy.worldEnglish
      0·
      6 months ago

      Could you please clarify why the baseline needs to be at 0? I’m genuinely curious.

    • Ross_audio@lemmy.worldEnglish
      02·
      6 months ago

      No it doesn’t.

      It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine. It’s not a scientific paper.

      It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph. That’s significant enough to shout about.

      Imagine any change you could make surprising competition by 25% in any market. That’s huge.

      • SorteKanin@feddit.dkEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine

        Define “perfectly fine”. It is clearly exaggerating the change. At a glance it looks more like a 5 times increase, not a 30% increase.

      • geissi@feddit.deEnglish
        2·
        6 months ago

        It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph

        But you don’t get that percentage from looking at the graph. You get that from looking at the numbers.
        The graph height increases by 300% in the last 3 months 9 days.

      • Hobbes@startrek.websiteEnglish
        0·
        6 months ago

        You could say the same about a 0.001 difference if you zoom in on the y-axis. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • just_change_it@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    6 months ago

    I mean sure I guess… but brave as a browser is atrocious. I don’t trust their bullshit at all.

    After all who doesn’t want a crypto wallet in their browser? that’s the safest place for it right?

    • FauxPseudo @lemmy.worldEnglish
      02·
      6 months ago

      I guess if you have no experience with it then that’s a perfect response. Meanwhile I’ve got $72 worth of BAT in mine and if it vanished I’d be perfectly fine losing money I never actually owned. I donate to DDG and Wikipedia each month with mine. That’s money they didn’t have so they are fine with that.

      I used to have a lot less but this crypto spike has increased it by a lot so my holdings are exceeding my donations. Might need to give away more.

  • Voyajer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    6 months ago

    I’ve been using Firefox on my android phones for years though, I don’t remember it ever being more involved then setting it as default on the popup on first launch.