• bamboo@lemm.ee
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    6 months ago

    Biden is gonna get slaughtered in November. It might even be the final nail in the coffin for American democracy. All because Joe here couldn’t not enthusiastically fund a genocide occurring in plain sight.

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      All because Joe here couldn’t not enthusiastically fund a genocide occurring in plain sight.

      Absolving Republicans of all their nasty anti-democratic behavior is disgusting. Anyone voting for Trump is actively pursuing the downfall of America. Anyone who doesn’t vote at all deserves the blame too.

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        6 months ago

        I haven’t seen a single leftist say they’re going to vote for Trump but I’ve seen like 100,000 liberals saying enabling genocide isn’t a big issue and to vote blue no matter who. Maybe stop nagging leftists and start doing the bare fucking minimum to appeal to voters who don’t like actual fucking genocide.

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        6 months ago

        Nobody is absolving the Republicans of being evil little shits. We just aren’t going to stand for Biden following them down that road.

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          Careful, any criticism of biden automatically makes you a trump supporter.

          That’s how tribalism works.

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        Eventually backing the Dems will backfire. Look at a few things Biden as done in his term. They are becoming more and more right-wing every election.

        1. Agreed to Republican border plan
        2. Funds genocide and white supremacy
        3. Didn’t bring back Abortion rights
        4. Black kids still getting shot by police
        5. Housing still expensive
        6. Food still expensive

        Either vote third party or Trump’s America becomes real (even if it takes a future Democrat or Republican to do it).

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          Vote for progressives in the primaries. Voting third party does nothing but help speed toward fascism. Our first past the post elections make voting for third parties cause the person you least want to win.

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            How are we not already on that path? The young people are even starting to give up. The job market is garbage, houses are unaffordable, health care is getting worse. When did all of you let the media trick you into not voting for a better future? It’s not like all negative human traits will cease to be the moment Trump dies…

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              What’s better? Being on a path to a brick wall while going 60mph or being on that path while going 10mph? One gives you a pretty good opportunity to swerve and avoid slamming into the wall.

              The job market outside of tech is largely fine (I can very much vouch for how shitty it still is in that sector) and is better than it has historically been. Housing is indeed unaffordable and local efforts clearly are not cutting it. I grew up in a time when insurance companies could simply stop paying for your Healthcare because you reached the lifetime maximum coverage. They could also refuse to give you coverage if you had a pre-existing condition. That forced many people to stay stuck in the same job for fear that a major health issue you or a family member had would make you ineligible for future coverage. We are at the highest level of insurance coverage we have ever had at the moment. It can certainly be better by simply having Medicare for All but that is still some progress at least.

              When voting, you vote for the best possible future. Someone from the Green Party has zero chance (Jill Stein also sucks) so you vote for the possible candidate that is closest to a party like that. There are at least starting to be some changes in voting since Maine and Alaska switched to ranked choice voting. My city also just switched to ranked choice. I know progress can seem horribly slow because it is but quick, large changes often lead to large reactionary responses which also often lead to authoritarianism.

              I can list you a host of institutional changes that I would love to see happen that will make what you want possible. For instance, we need to at least double the size of the House and states need to implement proportional representation. That would make voting for a third party candidate actually carry some weight. We obviously also need to make the electoral college worthless by more states passing the National Popular Vote so that no candidate with less that does not have the most votes can win. That is only a start of course because we then need to get rid of the electoral college (difficult since it requires an amendment) and have talked choice nationally.

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    If he doesn’t win election, I want his stans to remember this and understand that he threw it. He, or at least his staff, must know what a historically unpopular policy this is.

    The dems clearly aren’t as excited about beating Trump as their voters are.

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        I love how I called out that you absolute shitheels love blaming everyone else when the dems trip on their own dicks and hand victory to someone like Trump, and your immediate reaction is to blame me for pointing it out.

        Do you understand what’s happening here? Are you able to look at your own behaviour? Did you even understand what I said?

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      They’ll just blame the voters, like they already do.

      The Dems have invested everything into Biden so they can’t change their ship, and the stans can’t admit there is any flaws, so it must be everyone else that is wrong.

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        I don’t know where you guys see it, but I never see any stans for Biden who can’t admit his flaws like we see with Trump supporters. The only support I see for Biden is for the general election, not for him or his policies overall. I only see people being critical of Biden but saying we need to vote for him anyway. As bad as it is, there is no Palestine with Trump, there’s possibly no democracy with Trump, there’s only likely a lot of suffering for the regular people with Trump.

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          I see it everywhere. I’d name drop but can’t “attack the user” in this community or whatever the rule is.

          It’s almost at maga levels with these people. Any criticism of Biden is met with “Why do you want Trump to win”, “Bidens policies have been so good but no one knows about them”, or “The president can’t just do things”. I always see zero willingness to admit his huge flaws and only deflection.

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            Sometimes we hold our nose and vote. Because the alternative is so deeply problematic our moral judgement of one is dwarfed by the moral and practical horror of the other.

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              Sometimes we don’t make excuses for enabling genocide, but I guess that moral and practical horror is a-okay to some.

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                Not voting against Trump is enabling even more genocide and the end of some women and minority rights so don’t pretend like you’ve got the moral high ground if your refuse to vote because of the Democrats stance on Israel.

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                  They absolutely have the moral highground. Fuck a president that enables genocide and funds it. Saying “oh don’t be a single issue voter!” when the issue is “stop mass killings of people with a single phone call” is so out of this world, it’s just insane.

                  Time for a third party, plain and simple.

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            Ok, those aren’t the same thing as supporting him. I will admit I don’t care for his policies, but they have been better than I expected, which is something. Also, yeah the president doesn’t have the power to do that much alone. It requires congress to play a role, which the democrats don’t have enough control in to do. Those are extremely valid things to say, and you can say them while still being critical of Biden. It sounds like you want people to only be critical of him, which is just as bad as only supporting him. We need to understand there’s more beyond the one man or we will fail.

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              I’m sorry, but defending someone from criticism and saying their policies are super amazing isn’t supporting them?

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                Saying they’re amazing is, but that’s not what you said they said.

                Defending can be, but it isn’t necessarily. I’ll defend a lot of people or things that people are attacking for no reason. That said, defending someone from a legitimate critique is usually done out of support, but still sometimes it’s done out of a feeling of necessity.

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      6 months ago

      It’s the American government, period. Jewish people contribute millions in lobbies and bribes.

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        Careful there. Lots of American Jews don’t support Israel’s actions. Zionists do, whether they’re Jewish or not.

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    Biden ignoring his own intelligence agencies for foreign propaganda.

    Yay.

    I thought that was just a trump thing. But nope.

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      It’s a US politics thing. Everyone that sets foot in the White House has to play ball, they just don’t know it until they get there. It would’ve been interesting to see Bernie react to the reality of things in the highest office, but that’s probably exactly why they never let him in.

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        You act like biden is forced to be shitty. I dont believe that, hes just shitty. If bernie ever won i do not believe he would cave to such idiotic ideas.

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          I think your mindset is a little too naive nowadays, especially seeing what both Biden and Obama have been capable of once in office. Very idealistic before getting there, but it must be a hell of a load on their shoulders with no real right answer to many things, based on factors we might not even be aware of. I agree that Bernie might fight back harder, and that’s exactly why I said the easiest solution is for them to not even give him the chance.

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    Aw, I have three weapons for Israel and no UN aid. Why can’t I have no weapons for Israel and three UN aid?

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    Right after the UNRWA accusations turn out to be false.

    And israel tortured UNRWA employees into making false confessions.

    Fuck Biden.