A 6th grade girls team from Kentucky was set to go for the year-end championship tournament, but was told they were banned due to fears boys teams might ‘retaliate’ if they lost to the girls team.
This is how most sex segregated sports came about
- women beats men
- women banned
- segregated division created because of “biological differences”
I wonder why people are downvoting your comment. It’s literally what happened. See for instance this paper on the history of gender segregation in the Olympics: https://theworld.org/stories/2016-08-17/see-120-years-struggle-gender-equality-olympics.
Quote: “Margaret Murdock from the US won a silver in a tie in the 1976 Riffle Event, one of the events in the shooting categories. The rifle event was split into men’s and women’s events in 1984.”
Sports without contact mechanics I’ve always wondered why the split. Like men’s and women’s chess… what?
But men’s and women’s football? That kind of makes sense, not saying women’s should be banned from the men’s leagues, but let them make that choice themselves
She got a silver and 8 years later it was split into men and women’s events?
She didn’t even win…
It’s sad the mental gymnastics and revisionist history you all perpetuate to support your biased agenda.
Just another reason why the vast majority of people on these forums are not worth taking seriously.
For someone with such issues with the forum, you seem to be doing a lot of whining and not much leaving.
Why would I stop participating because ya’ll are a bunch of dunces?
That’s how you win and shut me out of the conversation, lol. Which is exactly what you’re trying to do.
That’s how you win and shut me out of the conversation, lol. Which is exactly what you’re trying to do.
People tend to do that to ya when you’re personality is centered around being wrong and obnoxious.
But I’m correct and respectful.
I’m just saying things you don’t like, which is why you try to shut me out of the conversation.
I see it all the time and don’t expect more from people like you.
You have to be trolling, no one can honestly be this stupid.
Once again, girls are somehow responsible for boys’ inability to behave 🤦
All men should really learn to behave. Even the well-behaved ones.
What does this even mean? I’m genuinely curious.
You and me both buddy.
This whole thread is a lowest common denominator extravaganza, I’m actually shocked at the lack of critical thinking. People read a headline and get riled up without asking questions, and if you do, you’re a homophobic racist antihuman piece of shit. What a fucking echo chamber. Was lemmy acquired by Tumblr without telling anyone? Reddit has higher standards than this.
It’s funny how 12 people downvoted me, and 15 people “genuinely didn’t understand”. So, did you downvote first, then realized that you didn’t even get it? That’s how the right wing thinks and acts.
It’s funny how 12 people downvoted me, and 15 people “genuinely didn’t understand”. So, did you downvote first, then realized that you didn’t even get it?
Downvotes are for poor quality posts that don’t contribute to the discussion. If people “genuinely didn’t understand” your post they should downvote it, because you did not explain yourself well enough to contribute to the discussion.
Come now, we both know that is a lie.
“…what we have worried about is a boys team is losing to a girls team (especially in a year end tourney) they may get frustrated and retaliate against a girl,” a text allegedly sent by the tournament directors reads.
“Throughout the season we had a few teams come to us about this and raise concerns about it. Because of this we decided to keep them out of the tournament,” another text reads.
Oh, so the teams were threatening to commit violence against the girls. Why not just kick those teams out?
“For their safety” :vomits:
So the league decided to preemptively retaliate on behalf of the hypothetical violent boys?
Y’all Qaeda strikes again.
How about policing the boys’ damned behavior for one fucking time in their lives, then?
Just another reminder that sports are segregated by gender because men got upset at women beating them, not because of “muh muscle mass” or “muh bone density”.
It’s why Chess is fucking segregated by gender. The most “giga brained chess grandmasters” didn’t like being beaten by women.
I noticed a long time ago that there is “basketball” and “women’s basketball” and have considered so much of sports machismo being about male fragility ever since.
Nobody actually cares about women’s basketball. Do you watch WNBA?
I don’t watch basketball at all, but what is your explanation for that?
It’s not exciting. It’s boring to watch, at the end of the day that is all it is. I don’t watch men’s basketball either, but I can very clearly see the difference in the game, they’re actually different games entirely.
Can relate. I was beat up by another kid of my age after practice because I beat him in a really small and unimportant Judo tournament. We were both 12 and his parents, my parents and the trainers all agreed that he just overreacted because he was scared the other boys would bully him. I switched to ballet afterwards.
Have you talked to your parents about it since? Do they still feel that way? How do they justify it?
That’s a shit dojo 100%. Everywhere I’ve trained if someone pulled that shit, they’d at the very least get sat the fuck down for a good long chat with the sensei, if not kicked out entirely… not to mention pushups, so, so, so many pushups.
That’s not why they were kicked out. The coach lied, to get them playing in the boys league, since they were so good.
So of course they got kicked out. What you expect the league to do?He explained:
“In November of 2023, Next Level and Larry McGraw deceptively registered a girls team into the 6th grade boys league and under the gender listed as MALE.”
“We entered them into the league assuming they were a boys’ team as conveniently no roster was ever provided.”
“Subsequently, their first game was filled in by a boys 6th grade Next Level team because they played the 6th grade boys Cincinnati Royals team - coached by myself, so there was no reason to suspect anything different.”He continued:
“It wasn’t until late January/early February that several teams from the 6th-grade division started traveling down to Kentucky to play their scheduled games, that it became apparent that the Next Level team was, in fact, a girls team.”
“Several complaints from coaches and teams were filed because of this deception.”Social media users, however, saw SWOB’s statement as deflecting from another issue, one that accused the league of trying to keep their feelings from getting hurt in the event the boys were defeated by girls.
Even if you are technically right, you are morally wrong. They should be allowed to register in that league, and if they weren’t then the coach lying about their gender was the correct and moral thing to do.
Crazy to watch people twist themselves in knots bending over backwards to try and excuse sexism.
But I don’t even think you are technically right. All those quotes stink like excuses and BS.
that is some selective bullshit
Seriously. What this tells me is that 70+ people either didn’t read the article or they just really have a thing about mixed gender sports. You quoted only the pathetic backpedalling lies he said to try to further justify his actions. BUT FIRST AND FOREMOST he said this (the man you are quoting, Sunderland, is the president)
The city-wide basketball league, Southwestern Ohio Basketball (SWOB), made the call because they believed that 11 to 12-year-old girls and boys competing against each other on the court could pose a liability risk leading to violence, even though the girls team had been winning 7-1 all season without incident.
IT IS WHY THEY WERE KICKED OUT.
It wasn’t until late January/early February that several teams from the 6th-grade division started traveling down to Kentucky to play their scheduled games, that it became apparent that the Next Level team was, in fact, a girls team.
You’re telling me it took multiple games AND teams for them to become "apparent that it was a girls team " ??? And become a problem. But only until they got far enough because maybe they wouldn’t and then SWOB could avoid PR problem all together.
this is a reminder to read the fucking article people
You might come up with a similar conclusion as me, or completely opposite. But OP is patently false and deceptive with their quote and definitive ruling on it, claiming the headline is deceptive! Fuck that.
You might have quoted the wrong part. This is what you’re looking for:
Doing this 28 years, what we have worried about is a boys team losing to a girls team (especially in the year end tourney), they may get frustrated and retaliate against a girl. Then we have liability issues.”
Also it looks like the guts of the article is the media statement here:
It’s a daft thing to say, and just pours fuel on the conflagration, but it does reveal some insights into the character of the guy.
It wasn’t until late January/early February that several teams from the 6th grade division started traveling down to Kentucky to play their scheduled games, that it became apparent that the Next Level team was, in fact, a girls team. Several complaints from coaches and teams were filed because of this deception.
At that point we allowed the team to finish the regular season schedule, but would move them into a girls’ tourney at year end.
This is a direct quote from the Southwestern Ohio Basketball website.
They allowed the girls to play until the end of the season in the boy’s category, so your take on it is incorrect.
In the statement on their website, Sunderman literally quotes himself telling McGraw that the girls couldn’t play because if they beat a boys team in the playoffs then the boys might get frustrated and physically retaliate, causing a liability issue.
He didn’t say they couldn’t play because they registered as a boys team. That was more of a supporting anecdote presented because of social media blowback.
So if I understand it correctly, it’s a boys only competition, not an open competition. And since these girls were so good, they wanted to be able to compete against the top teams, so they pulled of a superb ruse to be able to do just that, in the process upsetting some men who don’t want to compete against girls for reasons, especially if they end up losing. That’s going to make a good sport movie one day.
Many (most?) sports have a top “open” competition that anyone can enter and then several restricted competitions (age, sex, handicaps, …), but even if you qualify for one of the restricted competitions, if you’re good enough, you can still play in the open competition. Except in bible belt country apparently, no girls allowed in the top competition.
These are 6th graders. There’s no “top” competition for 6th graders at all, which is why this is a region specific league, and most of the sports are divided into boys and girls divisions at those ages.
He also said it wasn’t unheard of for a girl to play on a boys’ team or for a girls’ team to compete against boys.
It sounds like it’s not a boys only competition. It’s not entirely clear whether this quote is just referring to in general or this specific league, but based on the context the latter appears to be the intended reading.
Oh no, how dare you bring FACTS to a lemmy post?!
LoL. Lemmy is definitely feels over reals so far. And my feeling appreciates that.
Didn’t you read the title of the blog post? Of course they’re evil!
The headline was accurate. Read the article.
Oh, great idea, but I was just guessing, I don’t read articles, only what other people think, and then I just go with that.
The headline is correct, but it doesn’t tell the whole story was my point you absolute doofus.
Did you read the article (and linked statements) or not? The league stated the reason the girls couldn’t play and that reason that a boy might not be able to handle avoiding hitting a girl if they lose. None of this would be an issue if the girls weren’t winning. I don’t buy for a second that nobody noticed all season that they were losing to girls.
You mean the blog post on “comicsands.com”?
And this erudite take by “Prez, a social media user on X (Formerly Twitter)”, who “didn’t buy it”?
Yes, I did! Multiple times, unfortunately!
It’s ridiculous to be so ready to fall for populist propaganda when you just happen to be on the self-congratulatory team, but the mode of thinking is the exact same as employed by MAGA freaks.
Your lack of critical thinking makes you just as bad as them.
My favorite sport to watch is girls volleyball…I don’t like to watch sports in general
Most people treat me like a creep when I bring it up, but it’s way more dynamic and interesting than men’s volleyball. I used to scorekeep the sport, women’s volleyball is just more entertaining
IDGAF about basketball to start with, but if the boys can’t compete we should throw them by the wayside. I don’t get why this is even a question
I like men’s sports only, I think girl sports suck.
Is this ok to feel? Or are my feelings invalid, and I’m a woman hating psychopath who should kill myself?
I will let your raging downvotes decide.
I’ve given it some time… Look at your votes. For the record, I didn’t participate
You turned a very average, very mediocre stance into a way to victimize yourself.
“I don’t like women’s sports” is a valid take, "women’s sports suck " is a trash opinion.
No, proven a point that online outrage movement still has no arguments, and zero ctitical thinking skills. Nice jumping to conclusions though.
Again, look at your votes - your comment is still sitting at 2 votes. Presumably, one person upvoted you
Hell, I’d go as far as to say “women’s sports are boring” is the mainstream opinion.
No Internet outrage movement took place here… No one tried to offer you empty arguments or dogpile you with a lack of critical thinking skills.
Whoever you expected to fight didn’t show up.
Either they’re not here, they don’t exist, or their beliefs aren’t quite what you think they are
Or they refused to entertain me, which is quite some progress if you ask me considering the usual outrage the second the word “woman”, “gay”, or “trans” appears in a sentence.
I literally said your stance is the norm, your first comment is still at 2 votes. No one else has engaged
Who are you arguing against?
You’re victimizing yourself and shadow boxing in the corner.
You can wake up… That’s what being “woke” actually means, always has. It’s waking up from being an NPC
