Last month Trump vowed to defend Christianity and urged Christians to vote for him

“This is really a battle between good and evil,” evangelical TV preacher Hank Kunneman says of the slew of criminal charges facing Donald Trump. “There’s something on President Trump that the enemy fears: It’s called the anointing.”

The Nebraska pastor, who was speaking on cable news show “FlashPoint” last summer, is among several voices in Christian media pressing a message of Biblical proportions: The 2024 presidential race is a fight for America’s soul, and a persecuted Trump has God’s protection.

“They’re just trying to bankrupt him. They’re trying to take everything he’s got. They’re trying to put him in prison,” author, media personality and self-proclaimed prophet Lance Wallnau said in October on “The Jim Bakker Show”, an hour-long daily broadcast that focuses on news and revelations about the end times that it says we are living in.

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    Doesn’t say much good about a person’s god if Donald Trump is their envoy. Of all the people god could send, they chose him… 😏

    May all pussies–man, woman, and every gender–be fortunate enough to experience the grab of his glorious, tiny, and orange hand.

    Amen.

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    If I believed that an antichrist could exist, I would be convinced it was Donald Trump. He is the opposite of what Christianity teaches yet somehow he’s become their Messiah.

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      In that warped eschatology subculture, a common belief is that the antichrist will be raised in the church and come to power by deceiving the church into thinking he’s a prophet or messianic figure. Basically any authoritarian they choose to follow is the perfect figure to fit their beliefs. With Trump, for instance, they can point to “Christian” actions like blind support for Israel as the representatives of the original “chosen people” or his role in anti-choice enforcement or any us-vs-them conflict action that makes them feel like they are the current chosen people. Then if he turns out to be just another bad person who deceived them, they’ll mark it off as a fluke, immediately forget all the evil they helped him do, and look for the next antichrist candidate.

      Evangelicalism is a very sinister belief system. They literally want the rapture/tribulation to come about as soon as possible, preferably in their lifetime. They don’t actually care about any of the people they think are non-chosen. I would say the Calvinists/Reformed Protestants are even worse, because they believe the verses about some people being ordained before birth to be “elected” by God to be saved without any say of their own, and the vast majority of people are also predestined for eternal destruction (https://www.learnreligions.com/five-point-calvinism-700356).

      And they all vote.

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    How are some people so ignorant to all the terrible things he’s done? No one ever fact checks on anything and it’s seriously depressing

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      Remember this is not a failure of conclusions (Trump is sent by god), but a failure of proceedings (belief and faith is superior to facts and reality).

      They lack the critical thinking skills to even begin to digest and elaborate an argument that relies of evidence and principled thinking. They don’t evaluate reality on principles, they evaluate reality on emotion, identity and authority above all else. Therefore, fact checking is not even a possibility.

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      He was already known as a sleazy conman and the butt of jokes for decades before he won in 2016. How could they not know?

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      I’ve heard many say they don’t like what he has done but somehow he is still the best thing ever in spite of that.

      Maybe it ties into the Christian redemption thing.

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        From what I gather, many evangelicals who support Trump see him as a fighter against a corrupt worldly government and a champion of their causes.

        Then there’s the MAGA concept, which plays into their Great Replacement paranoia (the fear that the white Protestant American majority is being replaced by non-whites and non-believers).

        The fact that he is about as far from Christ-like as it’s possible to be doesn’t seem to deter them all that much.

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        That’s a big part of it, same reason they let rapist pastors stay in positions of authority. The entire belief system is ripe for abusing

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        …I found them all drunk, and I did not find any of them thirsty. My soul ached for the children of humanity, because they are blind in their hearts and do not see, for they came into the world empty, and they also seek to depart from the world empty.

        But meanwhile they are drunk. When they shake off their wine, then they will change their ways.

        • An apocryphal statement nearly 2,000 years old that seems to have underestimated people’s taste for the opiate of the masses
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    What happened to Romans 13:1

    Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

    They sure seemed eager to use that when Trump got into power.

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      Same thing that happened to Mark 12:17

      Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him.

      And yet they do anything they can to avoid paying taxes.

      And let’s not forget Mark 10:25

      It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the Kingdom of God.”

      Yet they glorify a man who brags about how rich he is.

      How is it that I, an atheist Jew, know Jesus better than they do?

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        Because you aren’t following “the Spirit” (aka listen to your religious leaders dogmatically and tell yourself you are correct because you misinterpret your confirmation bias as spiritual guidance).

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        Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him.

        That’s because it was a sidestep answer. In that religion, all things belong to God. Caesar minted the money using their own gold. So, all roman money belonged to caesar and you had to pay your taxes using roman money. The question is then “what exactly is Caesar’s and whats gods?” The rabbis couldn’t follow up with that question without getting crucified themselves.

        That “interpretation” of that story came about after king Charles wanted to raise taxes to raise an army to put down an Irish rebellion. Rightly, parliament didn’t trust him to do that and not use the army on them straight after. So, they refused and said the king has no right to force them to do so.

        Then, all of a sudden, as if by magic, king Charles was like “you’ll never guess what I just found in the bible. Yup, it says so right here. God says you all have to give me money. I know, I know, I couldn’t believe my luck when I found it too. Good job I’m a king and wouldn’t lie about such things.”

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      The more reasonable christians out there who still believe that aren’t dramatic enough for the headlines.

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    Hilarious to me that trump checks nearly every box for the literal antichrist, and the Christian’s love him.

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      Dude if Jesus appeared tomorrow the Republicans would line up to burn him. They don’t have real beliefs, just symbols.

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        While I think they would nail him to a cross, without noticing the irony, rather than burn him, you’re not wrong. Jesus is too woke for them.

        Moore told NPR in an interview released Tuesday that multiple pastors had told him they would quote the Sermon on the Mount, specifically the part that says to “turn the other cheek,” when preaching. Someone would come up after the service and ask, “Where did you get those liberal talking points?”

        “What was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,’ the response would not be, ‘I apologize.’ The response would be, ‘Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak,’” Moore said. “When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”

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      That’s makes sense actually, anitchrist means the End Times^TM are here. Christians see that as a good thing

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        But isn’t getting deceived by him supposed to get you an express ticket to hell?

        You’d think they’d be a little more cautious

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          Given the figure that most closely matches the projected boogeyman in something like 2 Thess 2 was Paul himself, they’ve been deceived for nearly two millennia now.

          At this point, gravitating to a narcissist grifter is just par for the course.

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    So the best God could give you all is a narcissistic, socipathic manchild with a spray tan…? That’s a big yikes. These people are delusional.

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    How is this not endorsing political candidates which means their tax exemption should be revoked?

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    The man is the living embodiment of the seven deadly sins: pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath, and sloth. And this is the guy God sent? Maybe there is a reason for that.

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          Nobody’s “sure”, but there are enough records and accounts to be reasonably confident that among the many traveling rabbis collecting followers in Roman Judaea was one from Nazareth named Joshua/Jesus, and that he was executed for political activities.

          That’s it though.

          Beyond that, his story is largely a creation of his followers, some of whom were apocalyptically charismatic enough in their own right to keep an ember alive, and eventually it sort of spread among the Jewish diaspora and the military, and happened to be in (relative) ascendance with the latter when an Eastern emperor needed to rethink some political strategies.

          After that, it’s largely survivorship bias, with every hint of writing about him being preserved, transcribed, recreated, or invented from whole cloth, and anything from his contemporary itinerant preachers being ignored or suppressed.

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            After that, it’s largely survivorship bias, with every hint of writing about him being preserved, transcribed, recreated, or invented from whole cloth, and anything from his contemporary itinerant preachers being ignored or suppressed.

            Not quite. In fact, there’s a rather significant survivorship bias around the versions of Jesus. Literally the very earliest primary documents involve someone known for persecuting Christians telling Christians in an area he has no authority to persecute that they should abandon other versions of Jesus they accepted or other gospels in favor of the version he claimed based on spiritual visions of someone he never met in life.

            We have nothing but fragments recorded by its critics of the Gospel of the Egyptians, for example, and the Gospel of Thomas we only have because of a single person burying it in a jar around the time it became punishable by death to possess.

            The version of Jesus with female disciples that was talking about Greek atomism and Epicurean proto-evolutionary thought is actually super interesting historically given the overall philosophy, but it’s barely extant and only is because of archeological discoveries after the church lost effectively mega-monarchal status to just become a mega corporation instead.

            And even in the modern era discoveries the church has any purview over like the Mar Saba letter abruptly go missing before it can be further validated by scholars.

            The survivorship around “other versions” of Jesus look like they were conducted by Stalin with a two millennia reach. It involved literally burning down the successor to the library of Alexandria (and with it sources potentially related to a “Gospel of the Egyptians”).

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          Yes. Was he the son of god or messiah? No. Be he was around and did spread something religious.

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        The historical existence of several Jewish reformers of the era baked into a singular allegory is not disputed.

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          You don’t have to deny Jesus’ existence, which is overtly true, to deny that what he taught was true— or the same as modern day Christianity

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          You don’t have to deny Jesus’ existence, which is overtly true, to deny that what he taught was true— or the same as modern day Christianity

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          You don’t have to deny Jesus’ existence, which is overtly true, to deny that what he taught was true— or the same as modern day Christianity

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        It’s not worth arguing with the folk that push this narrative.

        If they are as poorly informed to make the argument it’s likely in large part because of an affinity for the concept greater than an affinity for knowledge of any details surrounding it.

        So providing a counterpoint or more details just falls on willfully deaf ears.

        To be fair though, the blame falls more on proselytizers deafening so many ears with their bullshit than on the people with such an acquired distaste for the canonical Jesus that they feel the need to throw out historical Jesus with the bathwater. I definitely get the sentiment, even if the historical Jesus became one of my hyperfocus interests over the past few years.